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Risers meeting for Tuesday
December third. Can the council

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changes their report out of question thank
you chair the board met on an item I won

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in closed session on the matter of the
county of Humber versus Robert McKee no

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action to report out of that close
session and on I to my to the K.

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The board met regarding potential oriented
supported litigation there's no action

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to report out of that close session as
well thank you thank you and brings us

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to our public appearance section of the
meeting this is for items that are not on

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the agenda have a sign up list with a three
minute timer for speakers Charles L.C.N.

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C.E.O.

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. Chuck Sanchez got

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resident. I came today to kind of continue

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a conversation I had last week last night
I was here. Not fan things to get people

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aggravated but to just simply say some
things that I see happen in one of the

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things I have truth and
reelection don't go together

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a lot of truth since I can't get any of you
to call me regarding my fifty years in

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the field I come here what I
think no one can know at all and

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when I run across somebody that does
know something I hang on to them learn

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a little bit there's not much incentive
for those with dirt in the fingernails to

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get on committees they're all voted it's
up to you folks on the local level to

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point to these committees that no people
know things I don't see it happening it's

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kind of

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a real bummer. Anyway

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if your focus is Joyce who you put on it
maybe. Some examples I gave you many years

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ago the detractor Mitty's used to be on

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a local level that's for strategic
committees and they moved everything to

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Sacramento. So many field folks
like me we participated for

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a while got about forty four foot high and
many years ago we gave it up fancy going

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down there and it's all for nothing. If.

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I'm on

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a project now and multiple
agencies involved the people

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involved the public agencies I don't
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they're creating

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a lot of things so I got to forget but
I've learned over fifty years just thrown

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away. My uncle was an old railroad guy
talk about the north south railroad

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he says all will get exemptions for all
everything you want to do fill multiple

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baths are going to be OK to do
something whatever they want to do.

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I told you last time that I was with

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a no longer and he simply said to me when
treated badly the first time we were

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negotiating rates Shame on you and treated
badly the second time shame on me for

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allowing the bad to happen again. So if
you don't get some more people on these

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committees and know what's going
on we can all plan to have

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a lot less because that's what we're
going to have thank you. Thank you.

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Next is Bill Connors. Welcome. Good

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afternoon my name is Bill Connors
I live in the county. River way.

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A while back I was reading an article in
the paper December for on page two public

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works looks to repair bill of bridge
and I read this article and. I got to

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the end of it and I had to read it again
because I couldn't believe what I was

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reading. And basically what it
says is that the county put out

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a press release saying that
they had paid money for

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a study to find out if this bridge what it
would take for maintenance and what not

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and it comes out that it's going to be three
hundred ninety eight thousand dollars

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to maintain it currently and because it's

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a wooden bridge and all that kind of thing
I'm assuming that it's going to have

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future mate and it's issues and at the
same time they're doing this there is

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a federal grant to replace the bridge
I don't get it. You know tax and

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spend and so. Oh yeah

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the memo said that there'd be

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a greater financial return than replacing
the nearly fifty year old bridge with

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a more modern design I would like to ask
you folks to go back to whoever put up

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this first. Press Release memo
and explain that how having

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a free bridge from the
feds beats repairing

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a bridge with four hundred thousand
dollars of our money. Thank you.

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Thank you Nic speaker is Richard.
My steam starts with an L.

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I name it my name is Richard Laymon. See

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how read I am Richard Lehman of Fortuna
and I'm armed human rights commission for

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District two At first I counted eleven
highway deaths Captain Yeager of the

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California Highway Patrol corrected me
and said it was thirteen then it was

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seventeen then one thousand nine hundred
the last death may have been suicide

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I have no statistics on collisions
and injuries Humboldt County has of

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a bad history of death and are on our
roads we are ranked second in that in

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California for counties of our population
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south of Fortuna has been built over Highway
one hundred one where Highway thirty

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six comes into it because so many
people have been killed there one of

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those killed was a supervisor for

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a district true and
overpasses is planned between

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Eureka and Arcadia to make the safety
zone even safer. There are now some

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two dozen overpasses and under passes
between Rio del and Highway two ninety

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a stone wall runs from south of Fortuna
to south of Eureka to separate

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north and southbound traffic the problem
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Almost every time I come I go to
Eureka I see jaywalkers I saw two of

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them today. Jaywalking isn't

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a problem unfortunate as far as I can
see however nine of the nineteen

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deaths have occurred in the second district
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one thirty six and or owner of L.

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Road a blinking yellow or
red light is planned for

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a deadly intersection
on Rounder Ville road.

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Highway thirty six winds through

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a dense redwood forest the speed
limit limits vary from thirty five

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to fifty miles per hour we go out to Grizzly
creek campground and have to pull off

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the road now and then and let
others pass too many people are in

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a hurry to get somewhere

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a recent sixty Minutes program
discussed domestic uses of drones I

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brought up drones to Captain
Jaeger of the C.H.P.

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And he said he had thought about them
also drawn could watch our roads

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and issue warnings on our tickets
as required other counties use

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roadside cameras cameras are used in other
countries the Golden Gate Bridge sends

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bills to users. We live in

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a beautiful forested County with rivers
beaches and dairy farms it should also be

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a safe place to live thank
you thank you expect your

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is and as he waited.

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Thank you my name is now as he weighed
in I'm humble County resident I'm also

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currently on the Human Rights Commission
and last week he does ignited

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a proclamation for the Human Rights Commission
in this being human rights awareness

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month. But the Jewish UN General Assembly
proclaimed December tenth as human rights

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awareness day and one nine hundred fifty
to bring attention to the peoples of the

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world the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights as

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a standard for all people the nations and
today is December tenth so it is the

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International Human Rights Day today and
the commission chaired directed me to

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discuss with

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a supervisor who appointed me to the
commission Virginia. The placement of

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international human rights day on the board
of supervisors agenda for today and the

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commission wanted to put the item on
the agenda so that anyone who might be

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interested in sharing the importance of
this day and the work they do locally in

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concert with human rights could speak about
their work and the global support for

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it such as the end to torture violence
against women and girls child abuse

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discrimination and violations against
indigenous peoples around the world many

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political bodies set aside this day to
hold events to educate and encourage

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conversation regarding human rights
issues that affect us all it's

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a global day of participation so many
groups spanning the globe come together in

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solidarity such as the national religious
campaign against torture and other

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organizations throughout the world who are
putting their focus on December tenth on

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ending long term solitary confinement which
is internationally condemned as torture

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. It's important every day to recognize
those working to make declarations of human

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rights

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a reality those who've been contributing
so much unfortunately there was not room

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on the agenda to provide this opportunity
for local groups and organizations to

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share with us what they do and how their
work supports human rights let's do this

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next year or at least let's talk about
or have an event. That will help to

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inform us all of the ways in which we can
work with community to foster the reality

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of universal human rights. Can I also speak
as an individual person because I don't

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want to speak as the Commission now this
you just took your hat off OK. Thank you

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so speaking now as a community member not

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a commission member I'd
like to share with you all

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a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights last week you encouraged us all

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to become familiar with and educate ourselves
about the declaration so I'm offering

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you each all of you a copy of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights also

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a summary of it that's
just voted on one page and

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a poem that I wrote sometime back
this year. It's the declaration.

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Is essentially the poem that I wrote earlier
of the gist of which is that together

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we forge

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a journey and solutions led by our vision
to bring humanity and humanness into the

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equation our ability to love in our
compassion will stir the way recently we've

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heard a lot and seen

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a great deal on the life and legacy of
Nelson Mandela his amazing love and

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compassion he was a leader and

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a bridge and his vision encouraged others
to cross over that bridge and embrace

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forgiveness and reconciliation together
greater things were possible building

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community and helping people
this week we have seen

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a very good example of this kind of love
and compassion actualized in providing

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support for the houseless and Southern
Humboldt and beyond I can tell by your

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agenda that there were other things
happening asking you for extensions of

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resources as well. Yes it takes smarts and
resources to solve these issues but most

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of all it takes heart and it takes community
and I want to say thank you to Deborah

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Kerry whose heart is so big and whose love
for people is so strong as well as the

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new wind fellowship down in southern humble
Jim Paquin whose As you know from the

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e-mails I've sent you has been diligent
about chronicling homelessness in Humboldt

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County for us the vets for peace and

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a lot of other Southern humble Toure's
like Paul and Cathy also want to thank

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members of the Board of Supervisors for
stepping up particularly supervisor bone

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and for now. Good and especially those
praying again all of you who are engaging

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Human Services in Humboldt County to
provide resources while allowing those in

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community to lead. It's been

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a vacation for me many times to come to
the board and have the board say we can't

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do this and I implored with and let community
lead and you can follow and show us

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how you can support as with the resources
you have I'm thrilled I think this is the

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one of the best examples I've seen in

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a long time of working together and working
in community letting community work

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with you on solving

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a problem so thank you very much it's
appropriate for International Human Rights

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Day for sure thank you. Next is mad Dick.

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Either Good afternoon my name is Matt
from Miranda after earning my degree in

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natural resources I found
employment as a G.I.

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Specialist. We need to work together and
take the initiative in regards to economic

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prosperity and foreign mental secured
the Federal Highway Administration has

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required college trance to develop

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a project to widen Highway
one hundred one to Sta

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a standard through Richardson Grove

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a feasibility study was conducted in two
thousand and one and three alternatives

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were detailed with costs to put the highway
to the east of Richardson Grove State

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Park widening one hundred one through the
grove was not recommended I am here to

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bring attention to the arbitrary plans
for this project because the F. H.

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Way could help fund this project and the more
expensive alternatives to the East specifically

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tree number sixty three and tree number
sixty four between mile markers one point

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four five and one point six five. This is
directly adjacent to the visitor center

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and can be viewed in Appendix B.

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Photographs fifteen sixteen and seventeen.
Of the final report and evaluation of

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potential effects on old growth prepared
by registered consulting arborist Dennis

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is. OK

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So treat number sixty three is on the
west side of one hundred one tree number

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sixty four is on the east side of want to
one the distance between these two trees

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is only twenty three and a half feet
which I have measured myself the S.T.A.

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a Regulation calls for twenty four feet
to reinforce this narrow with you can see

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many car door mirrors along
the road all the time this is

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a state park that our ancestors say
for us. In one of the most protected

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land designations our state
can give this is not just

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a repaving such as other projects they
have done along the avenue of the

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giants before lane highway one hundred one
north and south of the grove obviously

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shows the intention to make this

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a four lane highway larger trucks and more
traffic will make navigating into the

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grove more difficult please
do not let the F.H. W.A.

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In culture and ruin our experiences at
the state park and its amazing swimming

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pools I hope you can do something
to save our State Parks thank you.

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Nic speakers Daniel Pierce.

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And copy. Good afternoon supervisors

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yours. I came to talk to you

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a couple things the first for you
why do you never give an Indian

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a drink simple. You gotta charge him
for it but no you charge it for

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him you got to jump out the ball out and
fill it with stuff you have in your

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riverboat like lead mercury and corn oil
from coal you know you poison the Indians

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and then you wonder why they go crazy I
mean they have studies now that show on the

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Indians are actually come across from the
from Russia were all the same thing the

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only one you don't want to run your alcohol
is the English because they don't fall

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over when they drink but going on the other
subject I'm talking about resolution.

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Ninety four thirty five and I'm happy I
have someone here from that was on Eureka

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city council at one time and this deals
with the jail and I bring your attention to

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the second page item number two this says
the county will assume responsibility for

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funding design and
installation signals at K.

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Street in the initial action

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a fourth and fifth Street the design and
installation the singles will be in

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accordance with the industry standards and
design plans will be submitted to the

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city engineer and the State Department
Transportation for the review and in their

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concern whatever prior to
installation. This is K.

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Street is where people
are getting killed J.

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Streets is where the jail is go there well
how can you do your job when people that

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you have working for you lie to you when
the Director of Public Works comes up to

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me and lies to me at the pub citizen how
do you do with that I'm all mad because he

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lied to me he said this is the justice
system the justice bill is going to get Bill

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he didn't know what paper I had in my
hand it says plain as day the county is

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responsible for putting
lights out there on K.

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Street white were this woman got killed
no will share now is there any but search

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out about well who is responsible we are
so now in the county who is not doing

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their job whose head needs to fall You
people are in charge if people are lying to

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me they're lying to you and if they're
lying to you how can you do your job.

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Thank you and that was the end of my
sign that she is here anyone else.

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And so Watsky thank you for the opportunity
to speak. I got your hand out there and

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I'm going to get

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a few really quick time Standard editorial
after the thing regarding Rex There are

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certain things which I objected to start
are our future won't plan itself I want

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humble County to be known for fishing
logging. In tribute it will be marketing

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glasses aren't going but the mark marijuana
street industry is here you have to

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have your head in the sand to think it's
going away and then it says Rex bone is

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right so I just thought I'd say that
the standard did did assert that I was

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a little I don't know upset again same guy
did an editorial cartoon a day and had

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a picture of the billboard which I'd love
to see removed or relocated but then he

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had a picture of a chainsaw and used

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a chain saw the things down years ago and
I hope he's not insinuating that the way

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to take care of this is for private people
to go out on other people's property and

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cut things down that's not the procedure
to do it so I would leave that up to

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interpretation I always enjoyed on the
babe any years ago when we had all the

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sculptures that were done with driftwood
there were some really entertaining things

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done out there and those were offensive
to me they did block the view

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a little bit but they they were
entertaining in here I also have

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a ways into this some of the letters of
notification that were done last time in

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the general plan update process and as was
mentioned before these were sent out on

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a Friday the soonest they would have been
received was Monday or Tuesday and the

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meeting was on Thursday so this is just
an example of what was sent out two years

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ago you know

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a lot of people who have sold those
properties so again I applaud your your

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notification as far as that goes there are
some other things here which which one

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is a reservation of Rights which
was done during the process that's

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a stick so if you get

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a chance to read that that starts where
the stick was when I was irritated back

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their. Definition of terms. I guess
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actually Google it it's on there called

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a city it in my definition someone who
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sometimes they come from humble state

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a lot of times are well intentioned people
but they don't quite understand the

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local thing here and they frequently leave
after some time serving in political

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positions they get up and leave and we're
left with what's left afterwards the

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other definition would
be someone who lives in

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a glass house and throws rocks I don't
know what explain someone to live in

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a glass house and throw
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a wise thing to do someone said
it made me long term T.H.C.

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Impairment just not quite getting it don't
don't know what the reason would be for

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throwing rocks when you live
in a glass house so that's

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a definition so we the other one we had
the other day was basically when you have

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a working relationship with the coach which
is backroom Chicago deals favoritism

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and things like that so we have three
definitions now which possibly we used today

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so I don't know where that goes thank you
for the opportunity to speak. Thank you

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seriously but he also would like
to speak during public comment.

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Was office. I just wanted to respond to
Mr Connor's question an unfortunate looks

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like he's taken off at this point but I
did just want to let him know case he's

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listening or something that
I'd be happy to give him

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a copy of the report concerning the
Brooklyn Bridge and to speak about that so.

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Thanks for getting Tillman.
OK. That will move us on

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to our afternoon public hearings I'm going
to few of them here first one is the HOW

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person Cory reclamation plan
appeal. Tractor Hamblin.

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Thank you as you know this
item was a an appeal from

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a planning commission decision that came
to you to. Reinstate this reclamation plan

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and it came to you once before and was
postponed into this meeting with that I'd

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like to turn time to Michael Wheeler for

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a staff report. Thank

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you Kevin Mr Chair members of the board
I'm Michael Wheeler the assigned planner

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for this project and I have

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a Power Point presentation
for you here. By

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way of background the project was first
heard by the Commission on January third

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two thousand and thirteen and again on May
second two thousand and thirteen and the

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commission voted six one to certify the
negative declaration and approve the

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reclamation plan approval of the
updated reclamation plan and

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financial surance only as what the project
is and you know a determination of

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a vested right for annual extraction was
made by the board on September fourth one

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thousand nine hundred money no operations
or related issues are not within the

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scope of the current review and there is

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a spirit court judgment on the vested
rights and agreement on limitations of

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Alderson Corey. As far as the appeal
goes on May fourteenth two thousand and

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fourteen Hummel Baykeeper in California
trout. Submitted an appeal the appellant's

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requested five changes to buying commission
action proving how we're seeing Corey

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reclamation plan the people issues are
one revise the wreck plan to include

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a complete erosion and sediment control
plan to provide documentation of water

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quality permits three revise the mitigated
negative declaration for require

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independent water quality testing and five
incorporate Texans for bald eagles. You

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know I'll get in each of those
but first I'd like to talk about

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a joint site inspection that I did with
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Polk here in our Smar inspector on January
twenty fifth this is after a grain for

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a couple days. We reviewed the adequacy
and functionality of the storm water

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retention and best mantra practices for
storm water management onsite and I just

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have some slides here. Of the site inspection
that's the core of the active Cory

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face you see right there above the trucks.
And this is the drainage pipe going into

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one of the sediment ation ponds some of the
check dams along. The drainage channel

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that runs along the north side of rocky
treat road this is some sedimentation

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control measures on the floor of
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And another check dam so synopsis of the
site visit and this is after we conferred

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with regional water quality and some are
inspector is that the separate patient

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Ponsonby employees were found to be
functioning properly in appropriate for the

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site original water quality had some
minor suggestions for making the best

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management practices more permanent So
what was the project before the Commission

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as I mentioned it was approval of the
reclamation plan and financial surance cost

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estimates for the continued quarry
operation and other aspects of the mining

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operation were not within the scope of the
project the mining operations and sells

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are conducted under

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a vested rights determination as modified
by the term of the stipulated judgment.

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You know to get to the appeal issues
the first was doing clue to complete

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sedimentation erosion control plan
in terms of staff response to that

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a storm water pollution prevention plan
are segmentation erosion control plan is

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contained within the body of the house and
Cory reclamation plan and there are some

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citations there where it can be found.
Another issue that dependence brought up was

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that the vested right covers five acres and
the total disturbed land compassed one

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point three two acres and drainage
calculations based on an active mining area of

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only zero point seven five eight acres
in terms of staff response to this staff

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agrees that it is appropriate to fix the
size of the active mining area at zero

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point seven five eight until revised
Gratian of the sizing of that settlement

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Taishan. Basins. Another
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That of water quality testing. This
one staff further recommended an

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additional condition of approval for
water quality testing yes this was

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a previous condition that was in the original
reclamation plan approval but it was

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never fully carried out
so we've added that as

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a condition for the current recommendation
plan to measure tributed instance

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suspended sediments and this would
be above and below the core.

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The appellant also argues that upon
completion of work at the quarry the berm

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should be removed we researched
that issue the berm was required as

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a condition before of the one nine hundred
ninety three approval of the original

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Extreme reclamation plan and the applicant
argues that removing the berm would be

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detrimental as it separates the existing
logging road from Rocky Creek. Staff

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response to that issue was that the
applicant hasn't provided any mechanism for

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maintenance of the following station of
mining so the staff recommendation is and

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this is an additional condition of approval.
States that the applicant must apply

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for

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a special permit in order to retain
the bar. It don't raise concerns

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regarding the geographic extent of
mining in staff reviewed that issue the

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appellant's figure for showed an outdated
sheet C two thirty VI sheets U two is

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included in

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a staff report for the Planning Commission
and the board and shows the site is

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contained within eastern PA property
boundaries. And the pill in argues that the

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applicant failed to follow up on resource
agency biological comments staff reviewed

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that issue as well the biological comments
were addressed through revision of the

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reclamation plan versus providing

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a separate report on them and it included
discussion of bald eagles in their red

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lake as frogs and the citations are there
for. Discussion. It also argued that

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the grading plant has

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a naturally steep slopes. After response
to that was that the final slopes in

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a reclamation plan were viewed by the
Office of mine reclamation. Department fish

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and wildlife in

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a region of water quality and no agencies
expressed concerns Smar allows for

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exceeding two to one slopes with review
by an engineering geologist and in some

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cases it makes sense if there is like

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a sheer rock face that is to
remain You just can't reclaim that

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and the applicant argued that the financial
services cannot be established because

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it is difficult to assess revegetation
requirements and staff response to that was

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that

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a planting plan was included with the reclamation
plan and was reviewed right resources

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agencies including the office of mine
reclamation Department official wildlife and

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so on and no agencies identified any
further issues. Finally nesting

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Bald Eagles require special regard
was. A concern it was expressed by the

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appellants and condition

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a seventeen was revised in response to
that concern by the Planning Commission in

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their discussions regarding the presence
of bald eagles the recognition plan does

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have extensive discussion about eagles in
the reclamation plant and the appeal by

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the appellants or submitted to an reviewed
by the Office of minor reclamation

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Department official model life and U.S.

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Fish and Wildlife Service and no agencies
offered any further comment So in summary

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the appellant's conclusion points in
staff response. Number one was the the

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applicant should revise the record plan
to comply with smart Omark guidance to

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include a complete stormwater pollution
prevention plan staff disagrees

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a settlement Taishan and erosion control
plan is embodied in the reclamation plan.

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The applicant should provide documentation
of appropriate water quality permits

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staff agrees and I reiterate some requirements
that are contained in the original

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conditions of approval and also the current
reclamation plan conditions of provable

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included Mungo's is that if
the if the operation becomes

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a commercial mining operation then they
would need to get an industrial stormwater

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permit from regional water quality in the
third issue county should revise it the

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mitigated negative declaration. Daft disagrees
there nor new impacts that have been

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discovered which need to be addressed
in the mitigate negative declaration.

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Appellants fourth issue independent water
quality testing and Rocky create should

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be required and as I mentioned staff
agrees and recommends that in this as

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a requirement and condition of approval
number twenty one. And finally production

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for bald eagle should be clearly specified.
Staff partially agrees new language for

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protection of potentially nesting sensitive
nesting birds species has been added by

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the Planning Commission and condition of
approval number seventeen and that's my

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short version of the staff report I have
an additional fourteen slides that go into

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the appended appeal issues that were
submitted by the appellants. Are we can hold

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off on those and you can go to directly
discussion and public comment and we can go

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into those individually if you want
me to speak to those. Open the public

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hearing and then at this time if any board
member seventy ex parte communications

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can. Go into that now surprise us thank you
Mr Chair Thank you for bringing that up

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because I wrote that down I did meet at
the site with both de Janeiro and Ryan

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Schneider and looked at the area and I
also met with Jessica Hall and Jen cult.

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That was in the office here where they
discussed their concerns expressed by.

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I've been up to the site over the last
thirty years doing worst times both for work

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and then recently during the last storm
occurs and. In September and then I've also

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talked with Dave Schneider and Ryan Schneider
just very shortly because I and then

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I also talked with Mike elves because of
the new assessment I want to make sure.

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They there are pictures of destruction
going out of there and I want to get

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a description of why that was happening
and and I did so and I've got

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a question from Michael too when you when
you're based on. The first panel you know

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he said this. Meeting
the first time we had

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a meeting on his or the last meeting that
I also had visited the quarry site prior

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to that meeting two or
three of us. Prior to our

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previous hearing I did have

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a site visit with Mr Schneider. To be able
to tour the site asked some questions

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look at some of the measures that were
described in the staff report also met with

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Jennifer calling Jessica all of Baykeeper
at that time since that hearing and just

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pointed out

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a follow up conversation with. Jennifer
called regarding. Some of the supplemental

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information that they put forward and simply
around the question it's admissibility

438
00:36:36,78 --> 00:36:40,73
into this so. I don't have any.

439
00:36:43,58 --> 00:36:50,54
OK. Through. And Michael I asked
you yesterday have we have

440
00:36:50,55 --> 00:36:52,95
a what approximately one hundred
night and we have or had

441
00:36:52,96 --> 00:36:57,92
a reclamation plant appeal before I know
you were going to check into it I thought

442
00:36:57,92 --> 00:37:04,21
. I don't know of any that has been filled
independently of. The Conditional Use

443
00:37:04,22 --> 00:37:07,18
permanent or surface mining
permits might go along with

444
00:37:07,19 --> 00:37:12,02
a recommendation plan just as sole appeal
of regulation plan I don't know of any

445
00:37:12,87 --> 00:37:19,70
great thank you. Can or
want to come speak today.

446
00:37:25,69 --> 00:37:26,06
Welcome.

447
00:37:34,02 --> 00:37:38,64
Chairman supervisors My name is Dave
Schneider I'm actually the trustee for the

448
00:37:38,65 --> 00:37:45,58
lamb that the where we are on first of all
thank you supervisors who went out there

449
00:37:45,59 --> 00:37:49,69
and reviewed and I know some of you went
out there in adverse conditions and look

450
00:37:49,70 --> 00:37:53,98
at all right. Very much
I'd like to go back

451
00:37:54,02 --> 00:37:58,03
a little bit on the history because there
are some points that are very important

452
00:37:58,04 --> 00:38:03,53
about this Querrey OK first of all the
quarry was activated in the one nine hundred

453
00:38:03,54 --> 00:38:04,09
forty S.

454
00:38:04,53 --> 00:38:10,75
It's been an active poor proximately seventy
years in this area it at one time was

455
00:38:10,76 --> 00:38:17,59
ran by the county of humble and ran by
several contractors in our area as well as

456
00:38:18,17 --> 00:38:24,69
my son most recently or provided
materials from county roads she I.D.'s

457
00:38:25,24 --> 00:38:31,33
A lot of. Infrastructure here within
the county over the past seven years.

458
00:38:36,73 --> 00:38:43,56
As pointed out by supervisor this Querrey
this quote is about two acres of active

459
00:38:43,63 --> 00:38:48,62
areas probably the smallest square you
have in your inventory of of one hundred

460
00:38:48,63 --> 00:38:54,50
nine. Reclamation plans and so it's not

461
00:38:54,51 --> 00:39:00,92
a very big quarry like where we standards.
In one thousand nine hundred eighty

462
00:39:01,70 --> 00:39:08,21
the quarry was granted a vested right
now vested right is eighty terminations

463
00:39:08,38 --> 00:39:13,67
a terminations made by the planar Rector
approved by the Planning Commission and

464
00:39:13,68 --> 00:39:16,97
then approved by the Board of
Supervisors at that time that this is

465
00:39:16,98 --> 00:39:20,51
a operation that has been ongoing
since the one nine hundred forty S.

466
00:39:20,52 --> 00:39:21,28
And it's guaranteed

467
00:39:21,29 --> 00:39:27,77
a right to continue that operation. OK And
then in one nine hundred ninety three

468
00:39:28,62 --> 00:39:35,02
a reclamation plan was approved
for the quarry now you've got to

469
00:39:35,03 --> 00:39:41,13
understand where this reclamation plant and
what were the guidelines that made all

470
00:39:41,14 --> 00:39:43,23
of a sudden we have to
do a regulation much

471
00:39:43,45 --> 00:39:48,73
a reclamation plan is governed by some era
OK which was an act passed in one nine

472
00:39:48,74 --> 00:39:54,15
hundred seventy six which govern Querrey
Zimmer's and the act was mostly

473
00:39:54,93 --> 00:40:00,83
designed for the coal mine and activities
in the in the Midwest where you had these

474
00:40:00,84 --> 00:40:05,75
big open pit mines and they were just
left and not were reclaimed Well the

475
00:40:05,76 --> 00:40:12,63
reclamation plan is the project OK the

476
00:40:12,68 --> 00:40:19,67
Act requires you that once you're done
with the mine to reclaim the land and

477
00:40:19,68 --> 00:40:24,31
you have to prove financial surance is
during the lifetime of the corps that you

478
00:40:24,32 --> 00:40:31,19
can't do this. Bad is the
project not until twenty

479
00:40:31,20 --> 00:40:37,18
twenty five you implement that project
those guidelines in the meantime are not

480
00:40:37,26 --> 00:40:42,62
operational things for the
quarry. We have been placed

481
00:40:43,13 --> 00:40:47,80
a lot of those things they go back and look
at our reclamation plan and say Oh you

482
00:40:47,81 --> 00:40:52,26
did meet the you didn't do this you didn't
do that we haven't closed this query

483
00:40:52,44 --> 00:40:57,24
we're not required to do any of that into
this reclamation plan was implemented

484
00:40:59,89 --> 00:41:01,03
so that's a that's

485
00:41:01,04 --> 00:41:08,03
a misnomer. Let's say and

486
00:41:08,07 --> 00:41:13,37
but staff report points out OK Listen
this is only for the reclamation plan

487
00:41:13,60 --> 00:41:17,88
financial assurances OK something is going
to be implemented in two thousand and

488
00:41:17,89 --> 00:41:21,98
twenty five unless we
extend it. Let's take

489
00:41:21,99 --> 00:41:26,43
a look at the appeal OK first of all
we have one hundred nine queries with

490
00:41:26,44 --> 00:41:29,88
reclamation plans we get an appeal on

491
00:41:29,89 --> 00:41:35,86
a two acre Querrey Come on why
why why why is this happening

492
00:41:36,46 --> 00:41:41,72
OK. First of all this query
is integration of about

493
00:41:41,73 --> 00:41:47,87
a thousand acres there's logging that
occurs on hundred acres clearcut logging

494
00:41:48,81 --> 00:41:50,99
landings that are twice as big as a square

495
00:41:51,00 --> 00:41:57,35
a site why why aren't we doing anything
about that because the appellate

496
00:41:57,99 --> 00:42:02,55
those logging trucks are not going by the
Province House the appellant of this case

497
00:42:02,56 --> 00:42:09,53
lives right on this road he bought
his property. After two thousand

498
00:42:10,17 --> 00:42:14,78
they subdivided the property build in

499
00:42:14,79 --> 00:42:20,54
a couple acres of wetlands built built some
homes on it built the homes and in the

500
00:42:20,55 --> 00:42:25,11
buffer zone and now they're concerned about
this current square it has been there

501
00:42:25,12 --> 00:42:27,92
seven years I mean holy smokes

502
00:42:28,42 --> 00:42:32,20
a bald eagle is building as nest up in the
tree and doesn't bother the bald eagle

503
00:42:32,21 --> 00:42:37,30
has come in subsequent to the I wish these
people had not built their nests there

504
00:42:37,31 --> 00:42:41,21
too. Anyway there are

505
00:42:41,22 --> 00:42:47,71
a lot of other things that. That happened
around this quarry that that pointed to

506
00:42:47,72 --> 00:42:53,62
why OK why are they only appealing this
it's is because they don't want this square

507
00:42:53,63 --> 00:42:59,73
in operation next to their own. And it came
in all of their appealing things cover

508
00:42:59,74 --> 00:43:05,82
operational things. On the Korea itself
they're not allowed to do that folks it

509
00:43:05,83 --> 00:43:08,14
only the only thing before you is

510
00:43:08,15 --> 00:43:14,22
a reclamation plan in the financial
assurances you can't go back and say well we

511
00:43:14,23 --> 00:43:20,71
want you to monitor the creek has nothing
to do with the reclamation plan so

512
00:43:20,72 --> 00:43:27,35
consequently we don't we don't want any
additional things put on this reclamation

513
00:43:27,36 --> 00:43:31,90
plan if you have something to say about
that the plan itself the two pages of the

514
00:43:31,91 --> 00:43:38,15
plan that that governs the plan will look
at it but all of these items on this on

515
00:43:38,16 --> 00:43:45,11
this appeal do not apply to the commission.
They apply to the operation. Which is

516
00:43:45,20 --> 00:43:49,83
allowed it has best right for me so I
want to go over each one of these.

517
00:43:52,54 --> 00:43:59,45
Ones that is on the appeal with
you. Supervisor bonus your question

518
00:43:59,46 --> 00:44:04,45
first substantially better than it was it
below where when you bought the property

519
00:44:04,46 --> 00:44:04,85
that there was

520
00:44:04,86 --> 00:44:07,84
a rush or it was due diligence done
with it was there where there was

521
00:44:07,85 --> 00:44:14,35
a rock quarry up there all the apparent
we saw the property of all of them. Who

522
00:44:14,36 --> 00:44:14,83
brought

523
00:44:15,05 --> 00:44:20,32
a piece of property subdivided it and he
has convince Baykeeper you know that they

524
00:44:20,33 --> 00:44:24,97
should be involved in this you know they
were it's in the public report that the

525
00:44:24,98 --> 00:44:25,88
quarry was up there.

526
00:44:40,65 --> 00:44:46,98
Most of the things the conditional things
like. Getting approval from water quality

527
00:44:46,99 --> 00:44:52,89
getting approval from Fish and Game getting
these sort of things are those agencies

528
00:44:52,90 --> 00:44:58,19
Yes we will at the point when we implement
the retro mation plan we'll probably

529
00:44:58,20 --> 00:45:00,92
have to touch base with
those people this is only

530
00:45:00,93 --> 00:45:07,24
a plan for when we go subsequent to our
mining go in and reclaim the land OK

531
00:45:08,79 --> 00:45:15,61
There was one comment in the appeal that
is valid OK where they say only local

532
00:45:15,63 --> 00:45:20,77
Navy plant species She'll be used in the
reclamation plan with the plan yeah we'll

533
00:45:20,82 --> 00:45:25,93
entertain that that's what that's about
it comment OK but then you don't want the

534
00:45:25,94 --> 00:45:30,98
drainage that range area calculations if
you have any questions on that as the

535
00:45:30,99 --> 00:45:36,10
engineer is here he be glad to address
those those things I think it's just

536
00:45:36,11 --> 00:45:41,41
a mere fact that Baykeeper in your post
don't understand summarily they don't

537
00:45:41,42 --> 00:45:46,38
understand the regulations and how these
how these are done so we can address those

538
00:45:46,38 --> 00:45:51,19
. Rocket kick shall be measured
for tribute to the person.

539
00:45:53,44 --> 00:45:58,42
Your staff should not be going into water
quality things water quality is the

540
00:45:58,43 --> 00:46:02,65
expert there is our license people they
know what they're doing of if if we need

541
00:46:02,66 --> 00:46:05,17
a water quality from it believe
me they've been up there quite

542
00:46:05,18 --> 00:46:09,67
a few times they're going to tell
us Hey listen here's a citation get

543
00:46:09,68 --> 00:46:12,05
a water quality permit and
they have been up there

544
00:46:12,06 --> 00:46:17,02
a lot but they've never said that to us
so no we're not interested in testing the

545
00:46:17,03 --> 00:46:23,13
turbidity of the water for our ongoing
mining coring operation there's nothing to

546
00:46:23,14 --> 00:46:26,37
do with our. Reclamation plant

547
00:46:30,51 --> 00:46:36,78
the berm that exist alongside the road
there the Burma existed prior to nine

548
00:46:36,79 --> 00:46:41,61
hundred seventy six it was put in there in
the forty's to keep the creek from going

549
00:46:41,79 --> 00:46:48,14
where. Reclamation plans under some merit
in the think prior to nine hundred

550
00:46:48,15 --> 00:46:51,67
seventy six does not have to be reclaimed
and does not the be addressed in

551
00:46:51,68 --> 00:46:57,50
a reclamation way that's under Section
twenty seven seventy six of us America Act

552
00:46:58,63 --> 00:47:03,80
So. The berm we don't plan on
taking the berm out there's there's

553
00:47:03,81 --> 00:47:08,22
a liability issue there if the county
requires us to do it you will be the one

554
00:47:08,23 --> 00:47:12,69
that's going to be liable because that
creek could flood could go down the road

555
00:47:12,88 --> 00:47:17,55
could flood up the county road could flood
out the homes that have been built in

556
00:47:17,56 --> 00:47:22,18
the creek below it so we're not really
interested in taking the berm out much you

557
00:47:22,19 --> 00:47:23,87
want to explain and responsibility.

558
00:47:29,06 --> 00:47:34,72
And and that's step pointed out all of
the agencies that looked at this plan

559
00:47:36,19 --> 00:47:41,33
all of the agencies look just plan
again at the appeals. To the plan

560
00:47:42,98 --> 00:47:47,44
none of them responded to the appeal. Because
the items that were brought up on the

561
00:47:47,45 --> 00:47:54,44
people really didn't like. The division
of mines in geology looked at the plan

562
00:47:54,56 --> 00:47:54,92
wrote

563
00:47:54,93 --> 00:48:00,57
a letter saying yeah the plants fine
folks. We're the ones who wrote the act we

564
00:48:00,58 --> 00:48:06,21
know what's required in it the planets
upon all the other agencies have been up

565
00:48:06,22 --> 00:48:12,45
there several times to look at the very.
Were not for amending anything that the

566
00:48:12,46 --> 00:48:17,23
Planning Commission did and you must
understand these conditions do not go into

567
00:48:17,24 --> 00:48:22,64
effect until this mine the
shutdown and the questions

568
00:48:27,62 --> 00:48:29,43
C.B.S. Come on I have

569
00:48:29,66 --> 00:48:35,99
a question for Steph actually on what you
said here regarding that very point if

570
00:48:36,00 --> 00:48:36,39
this is

571
00:48:36,40 --> 00:48:43,71
a reclamation plan. Can you
respond to Mr Schneider's

572
00:48:43,71 --> 00:48:50,33
. Point some of these
conditions. Additional

573
00:48:50,34 --> 00:48:56,38
conditions should not apply meat dish no
condition I'm that I'm concerned with or

574
00:48:56,39 --> 00:49:01,35
that I'm aware of is that the turbidity
measurement and I understood that that was

575
00:49:01,36 --> 00:49:05,93
an original condition on the one nine hundred
ninety three reclamation plan it was

576
00:49:05,94 --> 00:49:07,71
just restated in this plan.

577
00:49:13,79 --> 00:49:18,48
You gotta understand it doesn't matter
if it was in or not the plan is not

578
00:49:18,49 --> 00:49:25,49
implemented until the core is shut
down OK so there was no while ation

579
00:49:26,54 --> 00:49:33,31
of that plan and we're it's not
it's not this Corey has that ten

580
00:49:33,32 --> 00:49:38,62
thousand or fifteen thousand dollar financial
assure. You no longer going to take

581
00:49:38,63 --> 00:49:41,96
the reclaim describe it
upon those estimates maybe

582
00:49:41,97 --> 00:49:48,54
a week you know you're not going to do
it and we're so monitoring the creek for

583
00:49:48,55 --> 00:49:55,26
a week during the summer it's it's not
something. Commie staff should be

584
00:49:55,27 --> 00:50:01,90
involved with. The experts are water already
it the monitor what are we marching

585
00:50:01,91 --> 00:50:05,90
for triggered Where are the standards what
what parts per million do you want to

586
00:50:05,91 --> 00:50:09,18
see is that background never is just

587
00:50:09,19 --> 00:50:16,11
a moot condition. If I may
I didn't indicate there

588
00:50:16,12 --> 00:50:16,23
was

589
00:50:16,24 --> 00:50:21,14
a violation of the planet all I certainly
understand in fact staff has been the one

590
00:50:21,46 --> 00:50:25,57
that has argued at the Planning Commission
to try to keep the issue separate versus

591
00:50:25,58 --> 00:50:31,99
the operation of the quarry and the plan
this is truly the plan that's before you

592
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:37,21
that's correct the I didn't indication I
didn't indicate there was any violation I

593
00:50:37,22 --> 00:50:41,47
just indicated that they the additional
condition that we're talking about was

594
00:50:41,56 --> 00:50:43,02
a continuation of

595
00:50:43,03 --> 00:50:49,02
a condition approved on the ninety
three plan. As friends or foe so for

596
00:50:49,03 --> 00:50:53,95
clarification then basically that condition
applies at the time of recommendation

597
00:50:53,96 --> 00:51:00,78
not to date not doing operational correct
as part of the plan. QUESTION It's

598
00:51:01,51 --> 00:51:05,25
OK to. Speak.

599
00:51:17,06 --> 00:51:22,14
Good afternoon my name is Derek the north
coast director for California trout the

600
00:51:22,15 --> 00:51:26,29
appeal in this case appreciate the
opportunity to address you and express our

601
00:51:26,98 --> 00:51:31,82
perspective on our issues regarding this
this project and our appeal I want to

602
00:51:31,83 --> 00:51:36,90
acknowledge the great job that Mr Wheeler
did in laying out the issues first of all

603
00:51:36,91 --> 00:51:43,80
our appeal issues and then the county's
response to them. And I think that you

604
00:51:43,81 --> 00:51:47,53
can see from that that the projects been
dramatically approved in response to the

605
00:51:47,54 --> 00:51:52,01
appeal that we submitted if you think
through the list of the issues we raised in

606
00:51:52,02 --> 00:51:55,95
the counties response to then you will
note that many of those points were agreed

607
00:51:55,96 --> 00:51:59,49
to by the county staff and they were
adopted into the project so when we walked

608
00:51:59,50 --> 00:52:03,84
away from the Planning Commission hearing
in which it was approved and were left

609
00:52:03,85 --> 00:52:08,63
with that prior inferior project we felt
compelled to heal and raise these issues

610
00:52:08,96 --> 00:52:10,75
and I think that the
revised conditions are

611
00:52:10,76 --> 00:52:15,05
a testament to the validity of our claims
and acknowledgement that our appeal has

612
00:52:15,06 --> 00:52:18,89
been necessary to make the project conform
with state law we're dealing with

613
00:52:18,90 --> 00:52:23,19
several state laws here including sequin
the surface mining and reclamation Act and

614
00:52:23,20 --> 00:52:27,36
the Puerto clone Water Quality Control
Act as part of this project or not just

615
00:52:27,37 --> 00:52:27,84
looking at

616
00:52:27,85 --> 00:52:32,30
a reclamation plan or looking at sequel
approval of that plan and the conditions

617
00:52:32,31 --> 00:52:35,72
that are placed on it by
those state laws OK so it's

618
00:52:35,73 --> 00:52:42,73
a little bit bigger than the.
Proponent is suggesting to you. Given

619
00:52:42,78 --> 00:52:45,93
your acknowledgment of those points that
we've raised there's one fundamental point

620
00:52:45,94 --> 00:52:49,28
that remains under arrest and this is the
requirement for the operator to obtain an

621
00:52:49,29 --> 00:52:54,39
industrial general permit. Repair storm
water pollution prevention plan and

622
00:52:54,40 --> 00:52:58,57
a medication monitoring plan as required
by state law this requirement has

623
00:52:58,58 --> 00:53:02,16
expressed been expressed to the county
staff numerous times in our letters

624
00:53:02,57 --> 00:53:06,49
expressed by the Office of mining and
reclamation and it's also been expressed by

625
00:53:06,50 --> 00:53:09,87
the Regional Water Quality Control
Board and I wanted to walk you through

626
00:53:09,88 --> 00:53:15,96
a couple of those suggestions in an e-mail
and also in field visits from Mr Paul

627
00:53:15,97 --> 00:53:21,96
Kiran who's the Regional Water Quality
Control Board in staff engineer. He states

628
00:53:21,97 --> 00:53:25,79
in this email the regional water board
requires that the quarries that both

629
00:53:25,80 --> 00:53:29,85
discharge to state waters and sell
products commercially must obtain

630
00:53:29,86 --> 00:53:34,11
a regional water board industrial general
permit for stormwater discharge prior to

631
00:53:34,12 --> 00:53:40,76
initiation of quarry activities not recall
nation activities hoary activities.

632
00:53:45,02 --> 00:53:50,90
May thirtieth of two thousand and
thirteen. That was addressed to.

633
00:53:52,50 --> 00:53:59,23
To Karen Merkel. There's also an

634
00:53:59,24 --> 00:54:04,85
internal letter that was shared by Steve
Warner of the staff planning department

635
00:54:04,86 --> 00:54:10,80
staff to Mr Wheeler in which piece in which
he asked in this email were any of the

636
00:54:10,81 --> 00:54:13,96
monitoring and reporting requirements of
the original in one thousand nine hundred

637
00:54:13,97 --> 00:54:18,55
three stat make one thousand nine hundred
three reclamation plan satisfied and if

638
00:54:18,56 --> 00:54:22,99
so do we have this documentation and I
haven't seen that documentation perhaps the

639
00:54:23,00 --> 00:54:28,39
staff has the other question he asked was
were the required stormwater permit and

640
00:54:28,40 --> 00:54:34,77
stormwater pollution prevention plan
obtained so the staff our knowledge and the

641
00:54:34,78 --> 00:54:41,64
requirement for this permit and it's not
been obtained. There's also an issue about

642
00:54:41,68 --> 00:54:47,14
whether or not it's required for personal
versus commercial use and I wanted to

643
00:54:47,15 --> 00:54:52,24
address that briefly I don't know if you
have the reclamation planets. Health in

644
00:54:52,25 --> 00:54:58,74
front of you but on page four of the
reclamation plan part two general mining

645
00:54:58,78 --> 00:55:04,89
operation information states mind mineral
commodities the principal mineral

646
00:55:04,90 --> 00:55:10,80
commodity to be mined and sold at the however
some quarries great stone so that the

647
00:55:10,81 --> 00:55:14,82
reclamation plan itself states the intent
to mine and commercially sell this

648
00:55:14,83 --> 00:55:20,09
product in here so if that's not the
case if it's only going to be used for

649
00:55:20,10 --> 00:55:24,44
personal use and not for commercial use
then obviously you need to revise the

650
00:55:24,45 --> 00:55:28,21
reclamation plan to express that otherwise
this is what we have as the project in

651
00:55:28,22 --> 00:55:32,19
front of us to respond to nothing else and
it states clearly the commercial intent

652
00:55:32,23 --> 00:55:32,71
in here.

653
00:55:42,18 --> 00:55:47,86
The staffs response to our issues was to
deny our appeal or question number two

654
00:55:47,90 --> 00:55:53,99
which was that this storm our pollution
prevention plan be required as it's already

655
00:55:54,00 --> 00:55:56,14
a condition of approval so it's already

656
00:55:56,15 --> 00:56:00,88
a condition of approval and how can you
approve the project without having it

657
00:56:01,41 --> 00:56:04,72
without it having been met I
don't understand how it can be

658
00:56:04,73 --> 00:56:09,04
a condition of approval of the reclamation
plan it's not met and yet the staff is

659
00:56:09,05 --> 00:56:10,11
recommending and you're going to take

660
00:56:10,12 --> 00:56:15,58
a vote today to approve this plan. I haven't
got an answer to that question yet.

661
00:56:20,10 --> 00:56:25,27
In addition we've provided you recent
evidence that the Corrie has been and will

662
00:56:25,28 --> 00:56:31,02
continue to be selling rock on the commercial
market and this is recent information

663
00:56:31,03 --> 00:56:32,59
that we've submitted to the county in

664
00:56:32,60 --> 00:56:37,30
a complaint form demonstrating with
photographic evidence that there are trucks

665
00:56:37,31 --> 00:56:43,55
coming in and out of the quarry and it's
being used for commercial reasons I've

666
00:56:43,56 --> 00:56:46,46
gotten a call recently
from anonymously from

667
00:56:46,67 --> 00:56:50,34
a gentleman in the region who's in the trade
and he also expressed to me that this

668
00:56:50,35 --> 00:56:55,39
is widely known that the core Iraq is
being sold to Aus roofing Alva's as

669
00:56:55,40 --> 00:57:00,06
reprocessing or whatever and selling it
on to the market and there's an ad for it

670
00:57:00,07 --> 00:57:06,85
in the whole billers exchange so. These
points maybe addressed separately from

671
00:57:06,86 --> 00:57:11,56
this hearing today but it will be very
interested to see how the county response to

672
00:57:11,57 --> 00:57:17,03
this and I want to make clear that you
need to go beyond asking the proponent

673
00:57:17,04 --> 00:57:20,55
whether or not he's operating commercially
that when you investigate the quote

674
00:57:20,56 --> 00:57:23,91
unquote validity of our
allegations you need to do

675
00:57:23,92 --> 00:57:30,57
a little bit more explain exploration then
just asking the proponent as well well

676
00:57:30,58 --> 00:57:35,21
just and just so you know I did ask the
proponent about that I asked the owner of

677
00:57:35,22 --> 00:57:42,17
Alf's ruffing and paving and he said
he was processing the rock. Because

678
00:57:42,18 --> 00:57:46,75
they couldn't take the processor on the
site because it was too small and then he

679
00:57:46,76 --> 00:57:51,66
was giving it back to and then also the
ad says he's selling quarry rock but it

680
00:57:51,67 --> 00:57:56,10
doesn't say it's coming from it doesn't
say what Corey and I know that Mr Snyder

681
00:57:56,11 --> 00:58:01,52
owns dump trucks which can actually haul
from multiple quarry so and then the other

682
00:58:01,53 --> 00:58:06,93
factor here and I mean when you're the
anonymous you know tip I mean there's I can

683
00:58:06,94 --> 00:58:13,01
imagine you know I mean that that doesn't
carry much weight but I mean it didn't

684
00:58:13,02 --> 00:58:17,37
just go from the proponent I did follow
up and talk to the man who employs fifty

685
00:58:17,38 --> 00:58:20,71
people in Arcadia and he said that's what
he was dealing with and I will take him

686
00:58:20,72 --> 00:58:27,22
at his word. The reason I raise that issue
is because all of the other operators in

687
00:58:27,23 --> 00:58:31,56
the region are required to conform with the
state laws and get the permits and for

688
00:58:31,57 --> 00:58:35,100
some reason in this case the county isn't
requiring them to obtain this permit and

689
00:58:36,13 --> 00:58:39,85
I'm really fixated on that industrial
stormwater pollution prevention plan for the

690
00:58:39,86 --> 00:58:43,98
National Journal permitting the pollution
prevention plan needs to be in place in

691
00:58:43,99 --> 00:58:50,28
order for this operation to proceed and
my last point. And I've been reminded by

692
00:58:50,32 --> 00:58:53,82
the county at these hearings that this is
only the recommendation plan and not the

693
00:58:53,83 --> 00:59:00,63
operations. Of. The quarry and I'd like
to ask why then when the county received

694
00:59:00,64 --> 00:59:06,02
a letter regarding my property subdivision
which was approved by the county.

695
00:59:07,57 --> 00:59:14,06
And allegations made by the applicant
in that letter. That are false and

696
00:59:14,07 --> 00:59:20,97
derogatory that that letter is placed on
the county website as part of the record

697
00:59:20,98 --> 00:59:25,87
of this project I did I don't understand
that I think it's pretty unethical and

698
00:59:25,88 --> 00:59:30,18
it's biased that you would do that and I
think it's unnecessary has nothing to do

699
00:59:30,19 --> 00:59:35,22
with this reclamation plant hearing or the
issues and requests that you remove it

700
00:59:35,23 --> 00:59:41,47
from your public records
so I have saved. OK.

701
00:59:44,53 --> 00:59:51,21
I see standing back there also
are you coming. I think you

702
00:59:51,22 --> 00:59:57,72
Jennifer call representing
Baykeeper. Two things I just want to

703
00:59:58,20 --> 01:00:04,36
clarify that. When I took the photographs
of the rock being delivered to roofing I

704
01:00:04,37 --> 01:00:09,52
spoke to the truck driver and I asked him
where the core Iraq was coming from and

705
01:00:09,53 --> 01:00:15,12
what they were going to use it for and he
said base rock for projects and then my

706
01:00:15,13 --> 01:00:19,43
cows came out and spoke to me and. It's

707
01:00:19,44 --> 01:00:25,15
a significantly different story than what
you're saying and I realize this isn't

708
01:00:25,19 --> 01:00:28,25
a court of law but I would you know sign

709
01:00:28,26 --> 01:00:35,23
a declaration or whatever it takes to
to you know swear that I am telling

710
01:00:35,24 --> 01:00:41,25
the truth that Michaele's told me amongst
many other things he was buying the rock

711
01:00:41,35 --> 01:00:47,12
from night or from the Korean base that
they were going to use it for various

712
01:00:47,13 --> 01:00:51,28
projects and that they had no more
standing inventory because of all the dry

713
01:00:51,29 --> 01:00:52,29
weather they've been using

714
01:00:52,30 --> 01:00:56,02
a lot of their standing inventory so they
were just buying it to have on site for

715
01:00:56,03 --> 01:01:01,20
the winter and. You know it's

716
01:01:01,21 --> 01:01:05,96
a very different story and you know the
reason that we fixated on this commercial

717
01:01:05,97 --> 01:01:11,67
versus personal use is. You know
the claim that they only need.

718
01:01:12,92 --> 01:01:17,20
Industrial general permit to protect the
water quality from storm water runoff if

719
01:01:17,21 --> 01:01:23,93
it's for commercial use however I
actually Well Aaron said the reclamation

720
01:01:23,94 --> 01:01:30,14
plan states specifically that in the project
description the ream the portion of

721
01:01:30,15 --> 01:01:34,25
the stone aggregate products generated at
the whole person Corey will be utilized

722
01:01:34,26 --> 01:01:38,76
by the landowner for road maintenance and
erosion control of the remaining mined

723
01:01:38,77 --> 01:01:44,37
resources will be sold for use in projects
throughout the surrounding area and you

724
01:01:44,38 --> 01:01:50,97
know. I just want to make it really
clear that I realize as someone who.

725
01:01:52,70 --> 01:01:57,31
Works to protect water quality and
fish habitat and you know I do

726
01:01:57,32 --> 01:02:02,99
a lot of botanical surveys for fish restoration
projects and so I see the value in

727
01:02:03,00 --> 01:02:06,03
the decommissioning projects the storm
proofing of the roads they need

728
01:02:06,04 --> 01:02:11,15
a lot of rock for those projects and we're
not trying to shut down the Cory we are

729
01:02:11,16 --> 01:02:15,50
trying to ensure that the proper permits
and proper steps are taken and it's not

730
01:02:15,51 --> 01:02:21,86
just about permits it's what the permits
require to protect the water quality of

731
01:02:21,87 --> 01:02:23,49
Rocky Creek which is

732
01:02:23,50 --> 01:02:28,42
a co-host bearing stream and to
protect the fish habitat which over

733
01:02:28,43 --> 01:02:33,64
a million dollars of public funding has
gone into restoring this fish habitat for

734
01:02:33,65 --> 01:02:40,56
coho And you know like other Cory
operators they all get their

735
01:02:40,57 --> 01:02:47,24
N.P.T.'s permits. My read of the requirement
for the N.P.T.'s permit is that it's

736
01:02:47,34 --> 01:02:52,40
required for active or idle mines this is
an idle mine according to some are poured

737
01:02:52,41 --> 01:02:57,28
into office of mines and geology this is
listed as an idle mine and yet they're

738
01:02:57,29 --> 01:03:03,96
selling there are. And the
other thing is the industrial

739
01:03:03,97 --> 01:03:08,65
general permit is is not based on whether
it's personal and commercial use it's

740
01:03:08,66 --> 01:03:15,23
required by smart which the county
is the lead agency for. Getting the

741
01:03:15,38 --> 01:03:19,01
required Water Quality Control
Board permits in place as

742
01:03:19,02 --> 01:03:24,83
a requirement as your your lead
agency role under Smar so.

743
01:03:27,29 --> 01:03:30,47
You know we appreciate
the all the additions as

744
01:03:31,30 --> 01:03:35,86
a lot of these things could have been
handled at the Planning Commission hearings

745
01:03:35,87 --> 01:03:42,34
but they weren't and that was unfortunate.
We're asking you to to require this

746
01:03:42,67 --> 01:03:48,54
water quality permit as an additional
condition because of the secret process that

747
01:03:48,55 --> 01:03:55,55
you're required to follow so. Thank you
and I could ask any questions if you

748
01:03:55,56 --> 01:04:02,08
have any. All the same

749
01:04:02,09 --> 01:04:06,44
request were made I just happened to be
here till one o'clock that night all the

750
01:04:06,45 --> 01:04:10,25
same requests were made at the Planning
Commission hearing before they voted also

751
01:04:10,26 --> 01:04:15,23
right yes yes they were they were made out
to planning commission hearing and they

752
01:04:15,24 --> 01:04:19,53
were and pretty better to know it's very
common that we work with staff at the

753
01:04:19,54 --> 01:04:25,65
staff level right submitting comments and
and staff will incorporate changes that

754
01:04:26,51 --> 01:04:30,44
is what I believe is the point of the
secret process is to have public review and

755
01:04:30,45 --> 01:04:36,00
input so that people with expertise and
concerns can come forward and improve the

756
01:04:36,01 --> 01:04:40,38
projects and that's really the heart of
it the company doesn't have fisheries

757
01:04:40,39 --> 01:04:47,33
biologist on staff or any by all the
just and certainly. Can use input and in

758
01:04:47,34 --> 01:04:54,08
those areas I think it's
safe to say that the

759
01:04:54,09 --> 01:04:58,85
Planning Commission relies heavily on the
staff but also on input from experts and

760
01:04:59,12 --> 01:05:03,91
other agencies as well as the public because
the Planning Commission itself. They

761
01:05:03,92 --> 01:05:10,52
can't be experts in you know five
different laws that concern one

762
01:05:10,53 --> 01:05:15,05
project when they have five projects every
month they have to review so I think

763
01:05:15,06 --> 01:05:16,20
this could have been done

764
01:05:16,21 --> 01:05:22,76
a lot better all around and hope that
you. Do your best to protect Rocky Creek

765
01:05:23,29 --> 01:05:29,95
coho that are coming back to it thank
you thank you. Is there any public

766
01:05:29,96 --> 01:05:36,95
comments for this item. Welcome Tina
Christianson I'd just like to say

767
01:05:36,96 --> 01:05:41,89
I was in the military involved with the
sale of these properties and now that

768
01:05:41,90 --> 01:05:46,27
proper notification was
given. The other issues

769
01:05:46,28 --> 01:05:52,77
a lot of the rock that was used out
of Rocky out of that Corey was

770
01:05:52,93 --> 01:05:59,93
used for base on most of the roads in
that area and you now I think that

771
01:05:59,97 --> 01:06:00,63
this is

772
01:06:00,89 --> 01:06:07,47
a real he said she said because
if that if what David is

773
01:06:07,48 --> 01:06:09,50
saying is true and I had not

774
01:06:09,51 --> 01:06:16,22
a conversation with David before I came
here so this is news to me. You know that

775
01:06:16,23 --> 01:06:21,59
the permit was taken out seventy years
ago and that you're looking at something

776
01:06:21,60 --> 01:06:26,71
that's going to happen he's not going to
be alive and twenty twenty five you know.

777
01:06:27,84 --> 01:06:34,54
What I mean maybe. I mean
you're you're prejudging

778
01:06:34,55 --> 01:06:41,50
something for twenty twenty five that's
already been set and approved you have you

779
01:06:41,51 --> 01:06:46,86
have a situation that we deal with
all the time in real estate you have

780
01:06:46,87 --> 01:06:52,16
a neighbor that's unhappy and you're trying
to protect the neighbor as good as you

781
01:06:52,17 --> 01:06:53,41
can but if there's

782
01:06:53,42 --> 01:06:59,07
a permit there they knew that that permit
was there that Korea has been there so

783
01:06:59,75 --> 01:07:05,09
thank you. Thank you. Welcome.

784
01:07:07,63 --> 01:07:10,04
Checks and showed good resident I took

785
01:07:10,05 --> 01:07:15,84
a look at your agenda so I thought I'd
stick around. I'm not officially biologist

786
01:07:16,16 --> 01:07:17,22
I'm a far P.F.

787
01:07:17,56 --> 01:07:21,02
Forester my background
I've been involved in

788
01:07:21,03 --> 01:07:27,76
a lot of fishery studies little river.
I've followed the case up north

789
01:07:28,28 --> 01:07:32,14
where the wild fish thing in the judge
ruled that whatever that's going to come

790
01:07:32,15 --> 01:07:38,100
later. I've been

791
01:07:39,16 --> 01:07:45,07
studying the matter fascist fish at three
I want to harp on the experience thing

792
01:07:45,08 --> 01:07:50,31
I've already done that. But you
didn't rely on staff staff is missing

793
01:07:50,32 --> 01:07:56,67
a lot of experience. One of the things
I think gets missed in all this you're

794
01:07:56,68 --> 01:07:56,84
getting

795
01:07:56,85 --> 01:08:00,74
a taste of it all the regulators that
are involved in such it's not like this

796
01:08:00,78 --> 01:08:07,75
forestry you wouldn't
say more. Significance

797
01:08:09,37 --> 01:08:14,59
significance the expert input will tell you
the significance of whatever's going on

798
01:08:15,71 --> 01:08:16,94
is this a big deal

799
01:08:16,98 --> 01:08:22,25
a little deal and you've got all these
agencies watching over it and it's like I

800
01:08:22,26 --> 01:08:26,30
told you I'm involved with the project but
there you would believe this is nothing

801
01:08:26,62 --> 01:08:31,86
compared to what they're going to forget
so significance I just hope you keep that

802
01:08:31,87 --> 01:08:38,47
in mind they have to prove there's actual
damage before you stop these folks anyway

803
01:08:38,48 --> 01:08:44,27
that's all thanks. Thank you welcome.

804
01:08:48,71 --> 01:08:53,30
Thank you for the opportunity to speak
today. Before I made a comment and

805
01:08:53,31 --> 01:08:56,92
a credit Debra Nelson with his expertise
in the planning partment Planning

806
01:08:56,93 --> 01:09:01,41
Commission was basically based upon a
picture's worth a thousand words on

807
01:09:01,42 --> 01:09:04,06
a site visit worth a
thousand pictures so I did

808
01:09:04,07 --> 01:09:08,36
a site visit I got permission from Mr
Schneider to go up there and I walked around

809
01:09:08,37 --> 01:09:12,16
a little bit and there's all kinds of
assertions as far as what's going on there.

810
01:09:14,84 --> 01:09:21,09
And so I got out and walked around
in and. When I talk there was

811
01:09:21,10 --> 01:09:23,73
a lot split there and this is

812
01:09:25,82 --> 01:09:32,42
a working relationship lot split. The lot
split the house is constructed on clearly

813
01:09:32,43 --> 01:09:36,87
what was Phil as far as I can tell had been
asserted and it asserted came from them

814
01:09:37,10 --> 01:09:41,77
from the mining site and it's I don't know
how the heck they ever put that as far

815
01:09:41,78 --> 01:09:45,72
as I looked at the maps it's do managers
wetlands so I guess this is an official

816
01:09:45,73 --> 01:09:51,51
request that we go back and find out why
this working relationship allowed this so

817
01:09:51,63 --> 01:09:55,15
subdivision at all because there isn't
an apparent building site there it was

818
01:09:55,16 --> 01:09:58,76
created. I don't have

819
01:09:58,77 --> 01:10:03,82
a clue who signed off on this engine hearing
wise for that lot split. This is just

820
01:10:04,05 --> 01:10:07,65
this one big can of worms there was an
assertion one of the neighbors down there or

821
01:10:07,70 --> 01:10:10,39
allegedly remember the tree
house thing well there's

822
01:10:10,40 --> 01:10:13,52
a big barn sitting right beside the critter
and someone said well they're they're

823
01:10:13,53 --> 01:10:17,20
moving from their house and they're moving
into that barn obviously with no permit

824
01:10:17,21 --> 01:10:21,25
so we were going to need some serious
investigation from the building department

825
01:10:21,51 --> 01:10:24,23
down in that area I did
go down and I think it's

826
01:10:24,24 --> 01:10:28,46
a very nice bridge thirty eight thousand
dollars I called Kernan and drove down to

827
01:10:28,47 --> 01:10:31,71
the bridge it was no no no trespassing
signs that I figured since it was

828
01:10:31,72 --> 01:10:34,79
a million dollar project they probably
had to give it right away to get to the

829
01:10:34,80 --> 01:10:39,38
crick I seen that happen and then I went
down and I looked at the other down below

830
01:10:39,39 --> 01:10:39,56
there is

831
01:10:39,57 --> 01:10:43,64
a corporate that went underneath the main
road there were old arcade road and it

832
01:10:43,65 --> 01:10:47,87
was totally constricted I seriously hope
that they are generating fish and I I

833
01:10:47,88 --> 01:10:52,59
would like to see the how many thousands
of fish that habitat is improved by I'm

834
01:10:52,60 --> 01:10:56,01
sure that before they put a million
dollars Why do we have a million fish

835
01:10:56,02 --> 01:10:57,28
a year coming in there is a dollar

836
01:10:57,29 --> 01:11:01,92
a fish or what is it so there are serious
concerns I'm not sure that this wasn't

837
01:11:02,43 --> 01:11:03,64
washing of this appeared to be

838
01:11:03,65 --> 01:11:08,10
a potential misappropriation I don't know
it's something needs to be investigated

839
01:11:08,33 --> 01:11:14,44
it was this bridge necessary without fixing
the other culverts that impact the area

840
01:11:14,79 --> 01:11:16,12
did somebody benefit from

841
01:11:16,24 --> 01:11:21,25
a large million dollar project personally
in this issue it's again it's what I

842
01:11:21,26 --> 01:11:23,28
talked about a little why someone in

843
01:11:23,29 --> 01:11:27,76
a glass house throwing rocks so it's I'm
going to formally request that we will

844
01:11:27,77 --> 01:11:28,62
invest. Gate as

845
01:11:28,63 --> 01:11:32,64
a county what went on in that lot split
what went on as far as that development

846
01:11:32,65 --> 01:11:33,33
goes it it's

847
01:11:33,34 --> 01:11:38,79
a Makes no sense and I totally agree it's
it's the city it's come here and they

848
01:11:38,80 --> 01:11:43,00
want to stop it they want to have there's
nobody else have it and yet. Clearly took

849
01:11:43,01 --> 01:11:47,13
a seven and a half acre lot and split
it down and sold it off so if you have

850
01:11:47,14 --> 01:11:53,47
a developer here who is protecting this
person about his life THANK YOU THANK YOU

851
01:11:54,20 --> 01:11:59,93
India their public comments. Welcome

852
01:12:01,55 --> 01:12:08,33
problem at three minutes. It is
Monte Pro Bowl. I'm familiar with

853
01:12:08,34 --> 01:12:09,80
Cal trout and I'm

854
01:12:09,81 --> 01:12:14,35
a familiar with what they do in the Sierras
They've been some great things I mean

855
01:12:14,42 --> 01:12:19,14
really good things and they pride themselves
on basing everything on science and

856
01:12:19,15 --> 01:12:23,67
being able to back up what they say and
I'm just wondering if the directors down

857
01:12:23,68 --> 01:12:30,28
south understand what the representative
of the north coast is doing. To benefit

858
01:12:30,29 --> 01:12:35,44
himself essentially he's manipulated
this whole thing to get a bridge in

859
01:12:35,48 --> 01:12:40,89
a subdivided property Everything's to benefit
himself and he's from got Bay keepers

860
01:12:40,90 --> 01:12:47,13
involved now and it.
Just doesn't look right

861
01:12:47,41 --> 01:12:54,36
and you know like worse like we're saying
it's the smallest little Corey and all

862
01:12:54,37 --> 01:12:54,44
of

863
01:12:54,45 --> 01:13:02,51
a sudden it's been that the only thing
it has in common is the neighbor. I

864
01:13:02,52 --> 01:13:06,04
snuck under the were around
the gate and went up and took

865
01:13:06,05 --> 01:13:10,33
a look at this creek and I've been crying
climbed up creeks ever since I was about

866
01:13:10,34 --> 01:13:14,19
three years old and humble County.
And this is a nice crib this is

867
01:13:14,20 --> 01:13:19,16
a rocky creek this beautiful crib and I
think the only thing muddy around here is

868
01:13:19,24 --> 01:13:26,21
caltrops reputation if something like
this goes through Thank you. Thank

869
01:13:26,22 --> 01:13:28,34
you in the other public comments.

870
01:13:35,52 --> 01:13:42,21
We've. OK. The problem of

871
01:13:42,25 --> 01:13:48,46
any questions from the board. Twice
over this I think I would just like to

872
01:13:49,51 --> 01:13:49,77
make

873
01:13:49,78 --> 01:13:56,69
a comment about. Trying to constrain the
discussion on this and that has been

874
01:13:56,70 --> 01:13:57,50
pointed out this is

875
01:13:57,51 --> 01:14:03,64
a discussion of Reclamation plan and
whatever may or may not have gone on between

876
01:14:03,65 --> 01:14:10,61
neighbors previously aspects of you know.
Residential parcels or any of that.

877
01:14:12,48 --> 01:14:19,12
Doesn't affect the issues that we
have before us and that whatever

878
01:14:19,35 --> 01:14:24,58
and that's just not the issue that we
have in front of us as strings and.

879
01:14:26,36 --> 01:14:30,08
Whether those separate issues are
valid or not which we're not in

880
01:14:30,09 --> 01:14:35,52
a position to be able to judge here today
doesn't affect. The facts that we have

881
01:14:35,56 --> 01:14:39,89
regarding the reclamation plan itself and
so I feel like this is just been kind of

882
01:14:39,90 --> 01:14:46,68
drifting and. I just want to state
that I think we need to stay

883
01:14:46,69 --> 01:14:53,54
focused on what we have in front of us
because other things don't affect the

884
01:14:53,55 --> 01:14:54,71
validity of what we're looking at.

885
01:15:01,43 --> 01:15:07,77
I did. Just because I'm nosy I talked to
the property owner on the west side of

886
01:15:07,78 --> 01:15:08,31
alder Kate

887
01:15:08,32 --> 01:15:14,65
a road where Rocky Creek actually dumps into
and they have said as far sedimentation

888
01:15:14,66 --> 01:15:19,34
and working relationships with the
Korean in the future have been more than

889
01:15:19,78 --> 01:15:25,65
positive they haven't noticed any
extreme sedimentation over the years.

890
01:15:26,72 --> 01:15:33,42
Before the reclamation before the project
and after the project and I agree with

891
01:15:33,43 --> 01:15:38,51
Mark on the staying focused but we have
to realize that you know we have culture

892
01:15:38,70 --> 01:15:43,62
being recognized but the but and
and Deron admitted last M.M.

893
01:15:43,63 --> 01:15:49,36
He owns the property that this all runs
through and all the things that we have to

894
01:15:49,40 --> 01:15:51,90
that I don't think they're wavering I think
they're just trying to make the point

895
01:15:51,91 --> 01:15:51,99
is

896
01:15:52,00 --> 01:15:56,83
a point was made that Cal trout are terror
and I'm not sure who owns the property where

897
01:15:56,84 --> 01:16:00,59
the bridge was put in and the wetlands
were feel like I was surprised when I went

898
01:16:00,60 --> 01:16:04,58
back up there because I'd been up there
for twelve years that that whole would be

899
01:16:04,59 --> 01:16:07,81
north side of rocky creek have been filled
in and there were structures built about

900
01:16:07,82 --> 01:16:11,36
it so that caught me off guard right off
the get go when we're worried about the

901
01:16:11,37 --> 01:16:15,84
setback so I was surprised to see that but
I stay focused on it yes but I mean that

902
01:16:15,85 --> 01:16:22,78
is part of the conversation about what
is happening there so. It was kind of.

903
01:16:24,20 --> 01:16:31,00
OK So back to the issue at hand the
reclamation plan. Mr Schneider

904
01:16:31,95 --> 01:16:38,56
talked about the be in place
before nine hundred seventy six so

905
01:16:38,60 --> 01:16:45,35
how. Strongly do you feel about keeping
that requirement in. That it be

906
01:16:45,36 --> 01:16:50,41
removed since he says that he's concerned
about the impact on the neighborhood

907
01:16:50,42 --> 01:16:54,84
flooding etc If that were to be come
about as I mentioned the bird was

908
01:16:54,85 --> 01:16:58,59
a requirement of the one nine hundred
ninety three your approval in order to make

909
01:16:58,60 --> 01:17:05,34
sure the. Mining operations area
was adequately separated from

910
01:17:05,35 --> 01:17:09,58
Rocky Creek there may have been some
form there prior to that but it was

911
01:17:09,59 --> 01:17:12,54
a condition of one thousand nine
hundred three and we don't have

912
01:17:12,55 --> 01:17:18,30
a problem if they want to keep the berm
we just didn't need that after mining is

913
01:17:18,50 --> 01:17:21,50
after cessation of mining they
would need to come in for

914
01:17:21,51 --> 01:17:25,51
a special permit because that's what we
would normally require If someone wants to

915
01:17:25,57 --> 01:17:25,70
put

916
01:17:25,71 --> 01:17:33,24
a burn ministry inside management.
But. As part of the reclamation his

917
01:17:33,75 --> 01:17:39,94
so his concern is that it would actually
ruin the neighborhood potentially flood

918
01:17:40,03 --> 01:17:46,12
etc. The

919
01:17:46,76 --> 01:17:51,67
so the special permit you refer to
would be as if he were putting in

920
01:17:51,68 --> 01:17:58,61
a berm that had nothing to do with his
prior reclamation plan right if the

921
01:17:58,62 --> 01:18:00,06
berm is no longer

922
01:18:00,07 --> 01:18:05,75
a part of the SMAR operation then it would
have to stand alone into stand alone

923
01:18:06,09 --> 01:18:10,48
special. Could I ask

924
01:18:10,49 --> 01:18:13,34
a question of Mr Schneider on that regard.

925
01:18:19,43 --> 01:18:25,01
So Mr Schneider. Mr
Wheeler says that he. Was

926
01:18:25,02 --> 01:18:29,58
a part of the nine hundred ninety three
plan but you're saying as I understand it

927
01:18:29,59 --> 01:18:34,33
it was there before that is that correct
but the Berman has existed prior so

928
01:18:34,34 --> 01:18:39,26
America and if you look at some merit the
act itself it says that anything that

929
01:18:39,27 --> 01:18:44,87
existed prior to the act is not
required to be reclaimed. OK it's not

930
01:18:44,88 --> 01:18:50,68
a requirement of the record actually all
the mining area that it was mined prior to

931
01:18:50,69 --> 01:18:51,52
the act is not

932
01:18:51,53 --> 01:18:58,42
a requirement of. The applicant to reclaim
that area so this area this berm that

933
01:18:58,43 --> 01:19:04,88
existed there prior to seventy six was
there to protect the road was not part of

934
01:19:04,89 --> 01:19:08,29
the mine it was just something that
was placed there should not be in the

935
01:19:08,30 --> 01:19:14,76
regulation plan. OK While I have the

936
01:19:14,80 --> 01:19:21,67
opportunity you have to. The fact
that the project is the reclamation

937
01:19:21,71 --> 01:19:28,48
plan and implementation and movement Taishan
of the reclamation plan monitoring the

938
01:19:28,49 --> 01:19:34,80
creek is not part of the
reclamation. It is a it is

939
01:19:34,81 --> 01:19:40,02
a operational thing so if you say if you
put that in there then you're putting an

940
01:19:40,06 --> 01:19:46,18
operational thing into the monitoring plan
or into the reclamation plan which is

941
01:19:46,88 --> 01:19:52,41
as supervisor level said these are two
different things don't put the monitoring in

942
01:19:52,55 --> 01:19:57,12
because if they expect us to start monitoring
that creek it won't get done until

943
01:19:57,12 --> 01:20:00,08
the. Reclamation is implemented.

944
01:20:05,43 --> 01:20:12,30
It was about. As best I
think Mr Darcy is going to

945
01:20:12,31 --> 01:20:14,57
follow up on the berm
question a supervisor found

946
01:20:14,58 --> 01:20:19,62
a lost most of my. Don't worry I think
you're OK right now but I just want to know

947
01:20:19,63 --> 01:20:23,37
where you are in case I needed
you. It's going to staff I had

948
01:20:23,38 --> 01:20:28,42
a question I asked staff what do we think
is going to be involved in twenty twenty

949
01:20:28,43 --> 01:20:29,12
five years

950
01:20:29,13 --> 01:20:35,93
a special permit for the berm I mean
is. You know if you're trying to

951
01:20:35,94 --> 01:20:38,28
act you're trying to guess I mean we're
telling someone they need to get

952
01:20:38,29 --> 01:20:41,59
a special permit and to me that kind of
like frightening to put that in because who

953
01:20:41,60 --> 01:20:41,92
knows what

954
01:20:41,93 --> 01:20:46,61
a special permits going to look like in the
year. Is there song in the year twenty

955
01:20:46,72 --> 01:20:49,76
five you know the. Not quite
that far from now that.

956
01:20:58,73 --> 01:21:03,58
Through the chair Steve Warner is rising
planner. The permit requirements and their

957
01:21:03,59 --> 01:21:09,17
especial permit involve referring this to
Fish and Game Fish and Wildlife now and

958
01:21:09,18 --> 01:21:13,35
other agencies I believe they did make
comments about the Burma reclamation in the

959
01:21:13,36 --> 01:21:18,84
plan especially with they were looking
at was pulling any overburden making the

960
01:21:18,85 --> 01:21:24,39
slope less severe and perhaps they might
ask for some revenge station so those are

961
01:21:24,40 --> 01:21:25,40
the types of things that

962
01:21:25,41 --> 01:21:31,45
a special permit might engender if the
berm is to remain and it seems like that

963
01:21:31,46 --> 01:21:35,65
would be some things fish and wildlife
have generally supported at least in the

964
01:21:35,66 --> 01:21:37,57
comments on the project so far.

965
01:21:43,18 --> 01:21:46,85
Well all the burning questions
answered I'd like to make

966
01:21:46,86 --> 01:21:51,56
a motion to deny the deal and its totality
and uphold the plan the commission's

967
01:21:52,10 --> 01:21:58,80
ruling. And second I can express love us.

968
01:22:02,41 --> 01:22:08,46
I just still have some questions
I hope to be able to ask. So.

969
01:22:09,76 --> 01:22:16,52
The. The monitoring question
some of the other questions

970
01:22:16,53 --> 01:22:20,23
regardless you get into. Kind of

971
01:22:20,24 --> 01:22:22,10
a chicken and the egg kind of
thing you know we're proving

972
01:22:22,11 --> 01:22:26,47
a reclamation plan which the reclamation
would happen after you have the conclusion

973
01:22:26,48 --> 01:22:33,27
of Tory activities at some point
future. But. You know there's

974
01:22:33,31 --> 01:22:35,16
other. There's

975
01:22:35,17 --> 01:22:39,97
a connection to the activities that
happened in the meantime and in fact that

976
01:22:40,12 --> 01:22:42,61
comments that were received from the
region water board I think there was

977
01:22:42,62 --> 01:22:49,01
a reference to at the August two thousand
and ten letter. Titled comments on

978
01:22:49,02 --> 01:22:53,15
proposed reclamation plan states the
following permits may be required for this

979
01:22:53,16 --> 01:22:57,54
project industrial stormwater permit. And.

980
01:23:00,41 --> 01:23:04,26
Construction general stormwater permit
says land disturbances on projects of one

981
01:23:04,27 --> 01:23:08,48
acre or more require coverage under the
construction general stormwater permit if

982
01:23:08,49 --> 01:23:12,16
the disturbance will be one acre or more
the owner of the property will need to

983
01:23:12,17 --> 01:23:15,76
apply for coverage under this permit prior
to the commencement activities and this

984
01:23:15,77 --> 01:23:18,47
permit requires the preparation
and implementation of

985
01:23:18,48 --> 01:23:22,65
a storm water pollution
prevention plan so there is

986
01:23:23,05 --> 01:23:27,31
a certain nexus there and our role in terms
of the reclamation plan and considering

987
01:23:27,32 --> 01:23:34,19
that is. Something that I'm. Curious about

988
01:23:34,20 --> 01:23:41,07
here there's also as far as
that aspect. One acre or

989
01:23:41,08 --> 01:23:46,56
more going back to the permit itself
the permit application itself.

990
01:23:48,80 --> 01:23:49,40
Sorry this is

991
01:23:49,41 --> 01:23:54,65
a very lengthy attachment here have to
scroll through until I see it jump out at me

992
01:23:54,65 --> 01:23:57,03
. But.

993
01:24:02,28 --> 01:24:02,63
There is

994
01:24:02,64 --> 01:24:07,82
a statement in here about the intent to
expand the quarry size up to the maximum

995
01:24:07,82 --> 01:24:10,87
five acres. And

996
01:24:11,66 --> 01:24:18,64
a lot in fact in that same statement
about that the intent is. Stone

997
01:24:18,64 --> 01:24:25,34
for sale so it's hard to read that and
not conclude that this is intended to be

998
01:24:25,63 --> 01:24:31,06
a commercial operation and that the site
is to be sorry I'm still trying to find

999
01:24:31,07 --> 01:24:37,95
that one reference and
here. But. Here we go

1000
01:24:38,42 --> 01:24:41,83
number of acres to be reclaimed at present
the total size of Lance acquiring

1001
01:24:41,84 --> 01:24:45,63
reclamation upon the cessation of mining
operations is one point three two acres

1002
01:24:45,64 --> 01:24:52,59
which would be greater than one acre and
that's would. Seems like that would. Kick

1003
01:24:52,60 --> 01:24:59,21
in that other requirement. And. It also

1004
01:24:59,22 --> 01:25:04,07
notes that. Sufficient financial resources
are in place provide for the reclamation

1005
01:25:04,08 --> 01:25:08,92
of maximum permitted mine area of five acres
so it is referring to the maximum size

1006
01:25:08,93 --> 01:25:12,18
of five acres. And it also notes.

1007
01:25:15,90 --> 01:25:19,46
While the total disturb lands at the quarry
site presently encompass only one point

1008
01:25:19,47 --> 01:25:23,98
three two acres which is not the point
seventy two point seventy five reference

1009
01:25:23,99 --> 01:25:30,37
before this reclamation plant continues
to maintain adequate provisions. For the

1010
01:25:30,38 --> 01:25:34,38
quarry size to increase as necessary to
the previously permitted limit of five

1011
01:25:34,39 --> 01:25:40,67
acres so I'm trying to just seeking some
explanation from staff of how we're.

1012
01:25:42,68 --> 01:25:48,94
Supposed to you know the language here
doesn't address this as being. Smaller than

1013
01:25:48,95 --> 01:25:53,67
that there's another reference says the
existing size disturb area is expanded

1014
01:25:53,68 --> 01:25:58,52
towards its maximum projected size. This
is again in the application that according

1015
01:25:58,53 --> 01:25:59,25
to the application

1016
01:25:59,26 --> 01:26:03,59
a maximum projected sides is five acres
there's nothing here that suggests going to

1017
01:26:03,60 --> 01:26:09,89
be limited to less than that so.
Those are my questions. OK Well

1018
01:26:10,45 --> 01:26:11,74
let me see if I can take

1019
01:26:11,75 --> 01:26:17,69
a stab at it Michael and Kevin might
be able to jump in if necessary. This

1020
01:26:17,70 --> 01:26:22,67
particular. Mine quarry was
approved by your board as

1021
01:26:22,68 --> 01:26:28,26
a vested right with the expectation that
it's maximum footprint would be five acres

1022
01:26:28,56 --> 01:26:34,48
that was the documentation of the expectation
of the parties mining from one nine

1023
01:26:34,49 --> 01:26:40,82
hundred forty through and their understanding
of how large that actual quarry could

1024
01:26:40,83 --> 01:26:47,35
extend. So that's what this
reclamation plan is the outer limit

1025
01:26:47,80 --> 01:26:53,33
and that's what we're considering. Currently
the operational area in the face in

1026
01:26:53,34 --> 01:26:57,95
the disturbed areas are different sizes and
that was part of the discussion earlier

1027
01:26:58,34 --> 01:27:04,97
as to how the water quality
mechanisms which may be

1028
01:27:04,98 --> 01:27:10,47
summarized at the present time and that was
provided as documentation to show that

1029
01:27:10,48 --> 01:27:16,39
it was adequately addressed through to
the satisfaction of the water quality

1030
01:27:16,40 --> 01:27:21,61
control board staffing and our own
review of mine inspector for the county.

1031
01:27:23,39 --> 01:27:30,35
So we have. A large. Footprint or
envelope that this mind could build

1032
01:27:30,36 --> 01:27:35,91
into and it might be after twenty twenty
five twenty twenty five is the outside

1033
01:27:35,92 --> 01:27:42,85
limit for your approval of this reclamation
plan should the kauri operator decide

1034
01:27:43,38 --> 01:27:47,82
we're going to reclaim we're going to close
the quarry and reclaim it can happen at

1035
01:27:47,83 --> 01:27:53,28
any time this year or next year but those
expectations built into the reclamation

1036
01:27:53,29 --> 01:27:58,41
plan would be satisfied so that's kind of
why we're looking at this on the other

1037
01:27:58,71 --> 01:28:04,52
side of this is the ongoing responsibilities
of any operation under California

1038
01:28:04,53 --> 01:28:10,29
state water regulations to maintain water
quality and that's where the regional

1039
01:28:10,30 --> 01:28:16,53
board is saying in an operational capacity
they may trigger this industrial storm

1040
01:28:16,54 --> 01:28:20,79
water permit and the need for these
plans if they're conducting commercial

1041
01:28:20,80 --> 01:28:27,70
operation right now the mine is what we
call the idle status meaning it's not fully

1042
01:28:27,75 --> 01:28:34,41
engaged in the level of commercial activity
it was at the time it was fully going

1043
01:28:35,11 --> 01:28:40,83
and it meets that threshold I think it's
less than twenty percent of its annual use

1044
01:28:41,21 --> 01:28:46,06
ten percent so that allows them to kind
of back off some of the measures with the

1045
01:28:46,07 --> 01:28:52,86
state because that's kind of put on hold
until the economy would support the need

1046
01:28:52,87 --> 01:28:57,20
for this mine to become more active that
doesn't mean that if they take material

1047
01:28:57,21 --> 01:29:01,93
from stockpiles or other activities and
sell it commercially that they then need to

1048
01:29:01,94 --> 01:29:06,11
comply with these water quality
permit requirements and that's

1049
01:29:06,58 --> 01:29:11,79
a fairly high annual cost for that feat for
that permit and I believe that's one of

1050
01:29:11,80 --> 01:29:17,62
the reasons the operator has currently
kind of left their operation in

1051
01:29:17,63 --> 01:29:24,16
a dorm state. So there are only personal
use so that is kind of the toggle between

1052
01:29:24,17 --> 01:29:28,98
needing that industrial storm water
permit now under the provisions of water

1053
01:29:28,99 --> 01:29:35,81
quality law and smart they must maintain
the appropriate stormwater measures for

1054
01:29:35,85 --> 01:29:40,91
even an idle mind and they have done that
by kind of grading the slope into the

1055
01:29:40,92 --> 01:29:45,86
rock face dealing with the individual
systems for collection and treatment of

1056
01:29:45,87 --> 01:29:49,90
sediment and those have been found adequate
so I don't know if that covers kind of

1057
01:29:49,91 --> 01:29:55,64
a range of the question Well I'm still
little curious thing and one thing I think I

1058
01:29:55,82 --> 01:30:01,31
picked up on you saying was that. Sounded
like you're saying the line between

1059
01:30:01,36 --> 01:30:07,80
person operating for personal. Personal
use sounds like medical marijuana and.

1060
01:30:08,97 --> 01:30:11,38
And for commercial use that it's perhaps

1061
01:30:11,38 --> 01:30:14,49
a little fuzzy that there stockpiling
material that doesn't prevent them from being

1062
01:30:14,49 --> 01:30:20,40
able to sell that material at some point
if I might if any mind material that's

1063
01:30:20,79 --> 01:30:22,24
sold commercially even from

1064
01:30:22,24 --> 01:30:27,87
a stockpile is mining and would trigger the
need for compliance with the commercial

1065
01:30:27,91 --> 01:30:34,09
aspect of the mine. OK if they're taking
it and using it to rock the roads within

1066
01:30:34,09 --> 01:30:39,93
their ownership that's essentially customary
for farm and agricultural and forestry

1067
01:30:39,94 --> 01:30:46,02
practices so it's an exemption from.
Requirements and the regional board has not

1068
01:30:46,16 --> 01:30:53,16
considered that to trigger the industrial
stormwater OK but so. So again back

1069
01:30:53,18 --> 01:30:57,36
to that chicken or the egg kind
of thing with this as to lead

1070
01:30:57,37 --> 01:31:03,09
a Agency under smart. You know
we would not have our own.

1071
01:31:04,32 --> 01:31:06,55
Permit but we would perhaps
you know if there's

1072
01:31:06,56 --> 01:31:11,35
a question about the need for some of
these additional permits Wouldn't that be

1073
01:31:11,36 --> 01:31:14,70
something that would be parked within here
that we have to demonstrate that they've

1074
01:31:14,70 --> 01:31:20,25
. Received any permits deemed necessary
by other agencies such as the Regional

1075
01:31:20,26 --> 01:31:21,83
Water Board that is

1076
01:31:21,84 --> 01:31:27,22
a condition or OK but this but this point
it sounds like it's on in terms of the.

1077
01:31:28,93 --> 01:31:34,24
It seems like we're acting on one definition
in terms of the reclamation area. And

1078
01:31:34,25 --> 01:31:38,04
there may be an entirely other definition
that's being used by the regional board

1079
01:31:38,99 --> 01:31:43,43
but either way I'm still stuck with that
the description of the project itself as

1080
01:31:43,44 --> 01:31:48,19
in here yes state projects expanding up
to five acres potentially so I'm still

1081
01:31:49,25 --> 01:31:54,43
struggling so I don't believe that the
applicant is disputing the fact that they

1082
01:31:54,44 --> 01:32:00,18
wish to continue to use this mine to its
maximum potential the allowance that the

1083
01:32:00,19 --> 01:32:04,49
board of dop did back in finding the vested
right was ten thousand cubic yards per

1084
01:32:04,50 --> 01:32:11,15
year certainly they haven't mind that amount
of material and be kind of pulled back

1085
01:32:11,16 --> 01:32:14,36
from that they're waiting for the economy
and other needs for this rock to

1086
01:32:14,85 --> 01:32:21,34
materialize but that doesn't erase its
vested right or its commercial nature it's

1087
01:32:21,35 --> 01:32:26,14
just this trigger for when that industrial
stormwater permit is requested by the

1088
01:32:26,15 --> 01:32:30,37
regional board and they're sitting on the
sidelines waiting for commercial activity

1089
01:32:30,38 --> 01:32:37,14
to resume before that you
impose them. This was fast

1090
01:32:38,09 --> 01:32:42,19
Thank you Mr Chair do you think this is
actually been very helpful and did you just

1091
01:32:42,20 --> 01:32:46,22
say you know when it's requested by the
Regional Water Quality Control Board and

1092
01:32:46,23 --> 01:32:49,21
they have not requested they have to I
mean they're saying on the sidelines what

1093
01:32:49,22 --> 01:32:54,13
you just said I mean here I think the
burden is on the party conducting the

1094
01:32:54,14 --> 01:33:00,16
operation when they begin commercial activity
is to me to see OK thank you for the

1095
01:33:00,17 --> 01:33:05,43
present back well. But that's not in front
of us right now the reclamation plan

1096
01:33:05,44 --> 01:33:12,18
that's what is in front of us right now.
True and what has been presented as

1097
01:33:12,19 --> 01:33:16,65
to reclamation we're looking at when
the mine closes and when we take those

1098
01:33:16,66 --> 01:33:22,44
activities to put this property into use
other than mining in that the reclamation

1099
01:33:22,45 --> 01:33:28,28
use identified is simply returning it to
forestry purposes. So they're going to

1100
01:33:28,29 --> 01:33:33,18
restock they're going to recover some areas
are going to leave some rock face in

1101
01:33:33,19 --> 01:33:40,18
areas that are not imperiling public use
that may be greater than the two to one

1102
01:33:40,94 --> 01:33:45,39
so all of that is kind of wrapped up in
what this ultimate Cory's going to look

1103
01:33:45,40 --> 01:33:51,36
like twenty years down the road or fifteen
years down the road. When we become

1104
01:33:51,37 --> 01:33:57,28
involved in that we're also concerned about
things like water quality and when they

1105
01:33:57,29 --> 01:34:02,28
released seed and restore this area we
want to make sure that we don't increase

1106
01:34:02,32 --> 01:34:06,28
sediment carry downstream and that's
one of the reasons for that monitoring

1107
01:34:06,29 --> 01:34:07,25
conditions so we have a

1108
01:34:07,26 --> 01:34:14,14
a metric to compare before and after
that's kind of the purpose of that of the

1109
01:34:14,15 --> 01:34:17,60
other activities when they're moving all
of this stuff not during the operational

1110
01:34:17,61 --> 01:34:21,97
times but during reclamation if we do have
nesting sites what we want to do is make

1111
01:34:21,98 --> 01:34:25,93
sure those activities occur in the non
nesting period so that's that condition

1112
01:34:26,22 --> 01:34:31,88
fishing game is asking that we impose for
the nesting survey so we know if there's

1113
01:34:31,89 --> 01:34:37,78
anything of concern in the proximity so
the conditions that I think we're adding

1114
01:34:38,13 --> 01:34:44,84
are down the road and they are generally
accepted by misters night or in

1115
01:34:45,65 --> 01:34:52,56
the mine operator but they won't be coming
in place. In current as an operational

1116
01:34:52,57 --> 01:34:59,38
requirement so if that's clear. As print
well how does that apply to the condition

1117
01:34:59,39 --> 01:35:06,02
Amber did that addresses the issue
number two the. You know sorry did

1118
01:35:06,33 --> 01:35:12,42
the. I think it was your issue number two
where it was noted you wanted monitoring

1119
01:35:12,43 --> 01:35:18,96
of water quality during storm events
Yes and that's condition of the

1120
01:35:18,97 --> 01:35:23,51
reclamation plan OK And it's because we're
going to be resawing this area we're

1121
01:35:23,52 --> 01:35:27,24
going to be receiving it we're going to be
planning some trees that we're going to

1122
01:35:27,25 --> 01:35:31,37
have different contours or perhaps
removing a berm that's along

1123
01:35:31,38 --> 01:35:35,98
a road that might be needed to be kept or
not and that's been about you ation of

1124
01:35:35,99 --> 01:35:41,26
that process but the conditions essentially
say is that when this mine closers it's

1125
01:35:41,27 --> 01:35:42,67
going to be put back into

1126
01:35:42,68 --> 01:35:48,54
a condition supportive of sort for street
purposes so as as Mr Schneider said he

1127
01:35:48,55 --> 01:35:55,18
believes that the reclamation the putting
it to bed so to speak well that will

1128
01:35:55,19 --> 01:36:00,89
happen pretty quickly and will not happen
in the winter. So those are good things

1129
01:36:01,05 --> 01:36:06,10
the monitoring for reclamation can be up
to five years so it really depends on how

1130
01:36:06,11 --> 01:36:11,18
extensive the work is whether we need to
monitor those activities to me ensure that

1131
01:36:11,19 --> 01:36:18,00
they're in place that the plant survive
over the seasons and. So the work might be

1132
01:36:18,01 --> 01:36:20,63
done in one season we
might be watching it for

1133
01:36:20,64 --> 01:36:25,71
a little while. I would just add one thing
you know we're talking about twenty

1134
01:36:25,72 --> 01:36:32,15
twenty five years if it was light
years away it's twelve years. Yes.

1135
01:36:37,69 --> 01:36:41,66
To. To get

1136
01:36:41,67 --> 01:36:47,18
a question. Well if there's any other
other questions for staff I've got.

1137
01:36:48,87 --> 01:36:54,19
Comments on the motion. If others
are done with questions for staff.

1138
01:36:56,40 --> 01:37:03,37
OK well I guess. My. Concern
with with the motion is

1139
01:37:03,38 --> 01:37:10,28
that. You know as noted. This project
is sort of the Planning Commission

1140
01:37:11,16 --> 01:37:13,85
there is discussion of the Planning
Commission and rule of Planning Commission

1141
01:37:14,23 --> 01:37:18,37
appeal issues that were brought forward
on appeal that were considered by staff.

1142
01:37:19,46 --> 01:37:24,45
And of the five points that were raised
two or three The staff has recommended

1143
01:37:24,46 --> 01:37:29,54
denial there's two staff has been able to
find evidence in the record to support

1144
01:37:30,50 --> 01:37:35,96
those additional those points those
additional conditions and that's what we have

1145
01:37:35,97 --> 01:37:36,72
in front of us is

1146
01:37:36,73 --> 01:37:42,27
a record that supports. Those two points
and so for the maker and seconder of the

1147
01:37:42,28 --> 01:37:44,51
motion since we don't have

1148
01:37:44,52 --> 01:37:48,73
a resolution before us that supports the
motion being made and the alternative.

1149
01:37:50,16 --> 01:37:54,02
Staff recommendation would be to
direct staff to come back with

1150
01:37:54,03 --> 01:37:58,07
a revised resolution but I'm asking to
make her second they can tell me what

1151
01:37:58,08 --> 01:38:04,25
evidence they see in the record to support
the summary Dimmock denial of the. Of

1152
01:38:04,26 --> 01:38:11,05
the appeal on those two
points. Basically I

1153
01:38:11,06 --> 01:38:17,00
just did to deny the peel and support the
Planning Commission as decision the six

1154
01:38:17,01 --> 01:38:21,57
one vote of the Planning Commission and
not to disparage staff I just don't agree

1155
01:38:21,58 --> 01:38:26,46
with what they've brought forward which
is our prerogative to agree with

1156
01:38:26,47 --> 01:38:31,86
stephanotis So what I did was deny the
appeal and support the plan the commission's

1157
01:38:31,87 --> 01:38:37,92
decision of the six one ruling I mean I
couldn't sit here and and well this is

1158
01:38:37,93 --> 01:38:43,51
a. Quasi judicial hearing needs to be based
on evidence in the record and it's not

1159
01:38:43,52 --> 01:38:47,48
a matter of siding with one person or another
all the other issues as stated before

1160
01:38:47,49 --> 01:38:54,40
about you know. Disparaging one one
person or another on different things are

1161
01:38:54,46 --> 01:38:58,86
relevant to this it's based upon the
evidence in the record and so if there's

1162
01:38:58,87 --> 01:39:05,14
a reason if there's evidence in the
record to support or to deny outright

1163
01:39:05,49 --> 01:39:06,98
I be interested in hearing that.

1164
01:39:13,97 --> 01:39:20,88
I didn't get the answer yet the attorney
that would take President. Deputy

1165
01:39:20,89 --> 01:39:27,18
county council Smith would like to. Please
address the board on some of the some of

1166
01:39:27,19 --> 01:39:30,86
those concerns about the motion in the
resolution that and the evidence before the

1167
01:39:30,87 --> 01:39:37,52
board so if that would be
appropriate Thank you. Thank you

1168
01:39:37,53 --> 01:39:42,57
Director thank you given the emotion
currently pending before your board to deny

1169
01:39:42,61 --> 01:39:47,50
the appeal in its entirety I did want to
sort of focus the board to maybe look to

1170
01:39:47,51 --> 01:39:53,71
page eighteen of the staff report which
contains the revised findings. Two of those

1171
01:39:53,72 --> 01:39:59,68
findings. I'm sorry conditions of additions
of approval since the board her.

1172
01:40:01,12 --> 01:40:03,85
Parents to so this would be attachment

1173
01:40:03,86 --> 01:40:10,36
a Exhibit A. I actually
think it is page three of

1174
01:40:10,37 --> 01:40:17,32
seventeen on the i Pad Oh wait that's
the resolution excuse me yeah it's

1175
01:40:17,33 --> 01:40:22,96
Exhibit A little say Page five of seventeen
on. The bottom right of your i Pad

1176
01:40:23,72 --> 01:40:30,37
which I revise conditions over stupid
argument on your i Pad. Page five.

1177
01:40:35,48 --> 01:40:42,01
Which item on there.
That's may exhibit A. The

1178
01:40:42,02 --> 01:40:47,21
revised conditions of approval and the ones
on the back of the underlined ones are

1179
01:40:47,22 --> 01:40:51,16
the newer ones that staff was recommending
getting Yes so those would be the double

1180
01:40:51,17 --> 01:40:55,39
underlines and that's numbers twenty
twenty one and twenty two the Planning

1181
01:40:55,40 --> 01:40:58,86
Commission what came out the Planning
Commission hearing were revisions that are

1182
01:40:58,91 --> 01:41:04,00
the single underlined to numbers seventeen
and numbers nineteen so my understanding

1183
01:41:04,01 --> 01:41:08,99
of the discussion in the motion was that
numbers the revisions underlined in

1184
01:41:09,00 --> 01:41:14,63
seventeen and nineteen will stay and that
your board is looking pursuant to the

1185
01:41:14,64 --> 01:41:20,13
motion and the second currently pending
before your board. Looking to get rid of

1186
01:41:20,17 --> 01:41:23,86
numbers twenty twenty one and twenty two
and I just want to make sure that I

1187
01:41:24,32 --> 01:41:29,87
understand correctly where your board
is going in the denial there from that

1188
01:41:29,95 --> 01:41:35,35
conversation I heard I'll start with number
twenty two it looked like and that says

1189
01:41:35,36 --> 01:41:39,20
the the berm shall not be removed
upon closure of the quarry operation.

1190
01:41:44,13 --> 01:41:48,96
I thought you said that Burma shall not be
but you shall be removed upon closure of

1191
01:41:48,97 --> 01:41:52,64
the quarry operation unless separately
permitted consistent with the county stream

1192
01:41:52,65 --> 01:41:58,52
side management area ordinance so my
understanding of what your board said there

1193
01:41:58,53 --> 01:42:05,38
was that. You heard evidence from the
applicants agent that the berm predated

1194
01:42:05,39 --> 01:42:11,50
smart and pursuant to smart you didn't want
him to have to remove that and so that

1195
01:42:11,51 --> 01:42:14,55
was your reason for wanting to not go

1196
01:42:14,56 --> 01:42:20,63
a staff recommendation there. For number
twenty one which reads Rocky Gulch Creek

1197
01:42:20,64 --> 01:42:24,62
shall be measured for Betty and suspended
sediment load during high winter runoff

1198
01:42:24,87 --> 01:42:28,10
when rainfall exceeds three
quarters of an insurers of rain in

1199
01:42:28,11 --> 01:42:30,89
a twenty four hour period the
creek should be monitored at

1200
01:42:30,90 --> 01:42:32,77
a point directly above the quarry and

1201
01:42:32,78 --> 01:42:37,11
a point directly below the point of
intersection of the creek with the situation

1202
01:42:37,12 --> 01:42:42,62
pond of fluent. Siltation I'm sorry my
copy is not very good siltation pontiff.

1203
01:42:46,23 --> 01:42:53,03
So my understanding of. What your board
was going for there was that you believe

1204
01:42:53,04 --> 01:42:57,59
that was and do correct me if I'm wrong
that was an issue for water quality and if

1205
01:42:57,60 --> 01:43:02,15
it's not something that should not be done
during the life of the mining and you

1206
01:43:02,16 --> 01:43:07,88
didn't want to part of the reclamation plan
was there are other reasons. I just in

1207
01:43:07,89 --> 01:43:12,33
my estimation it seemed to be more operational
in nature but so that was part of my

1208
01:43:12,37 --> 01:43:16,66
reasoning for seconding that motion OK And
there also it's going to be done so our

1209
01:43:16,67 --> 01:43:17,52
time could be

1210
01:43:17,53 --> 01:43:24,09
a very short amount of time it takes
to do that OK. OK And then the

1211
01:43:24,42 --> 01:43:29,05
third one would be number twenty which says
the drainage area calculation is based

1212
01:43:29,06 --> 01:43:33,84
upon the active mining side of point seven
five eight acres are the applicant limit

1213
01:43:33,85 --> 01:43:37,02
disturb the area to this amount or they
should circulate drainage area by the

1214
01:43:37,03 --> 01:43:42,48
maximum allowable mining area as the
sedimentation slash erosion control measures

1215
01:43:42,49 --> 01:43:45,29
are sized based on the
active mining area there is

1216
01:43:45,30 --> 01:43:49,71
a restriction on the size of the active
mining area of point seven five acres

1217
01:43:50,13 --> 01:43:52,04
enlarging the active mining area requires

1218
01:43:52,05 --> 01:43:57,24
a re-evaluation of the sizing of the
sedimentation basins based on increased active

1219
01:43:57,25 --> 01:44:00,66
mining area and revision of this
section of the reclamation plan.

1220
01:44:04,69 --> 01:44:11,62
So with that one I'm not sure.
That there were discussion

1221
01:44:11,63 --> 01:44:14,54
of why this should go away so if
your board could perhaps have

1222
01:44:14,55 --> 01:44:18,95
a discussion I maybe I didn't hear it and
I think I'm I second the motion partly

1223
01:44:18,96 --> 01:44:20,04
for discussion because I know there is

1224
01:44:20,05 --> 01:44:25,54
a lot to happen and that's one little
easier and less easy for me to draw

1225
01:44:25,55 --> 01:44:30,18
a corollary though to me it does seem that
that also could be operational in nature

1226
01:44:30,19 --> 01:44:33,70
it seems like that would be something that
would shift with the size of you know

1227
01:44:33,71 --> 01:44:40,63
but I'm not an expert in corps by any
stretch so. You know I I'm thinking

1228
01:44:40,64 --> 01:44:44,41
it's more operational in nature but I'd
be happy to hear what others may have

1229
01:44:44,42 --> 01:44:51,05
thought up on the board. It would it

1230
01:44:51,75 --> 01:44:57,21
be OK if I call Mr Schneider up again to
discuss that particular point on number

1231
01:44:57,22 --> 01:45:01,92
twenty because we haven't discussed it I
do agree that it sounds again more in the

1232
01:45:01,93 --> 01:45:08,83
operational level. You know like
your civil engineer who did

1233
01:45:08,84 --> 01:45:14,36
those calculations and did that come up and
dress for sure I think you could which

1234
01:45:14,36 --> 01:45:17,90
. Would be helpful.

1235
01:45:24,60 --> 01:45:29,51
For Mattson with Pacific affiliates. Have

1236
01:45:29,52 --> 01:45:34,02
a question about it or draw me just kind
of well I wanted to understand what you

1237
01:45:34,03 --> 01:45:39,88
are. What your take on item number twenty
is that requires that it be limited to

1238
01:45:39,89 --> 01:45:45,34
the zero point seven
five eight area. I guess

1239
01:45:45,39 --> 01:45:51,32
a couple of points I would agree with
supervisor Bassett that's an operational item

1240
01:45:51,32 --> 01:45:56,85
. But also. You know base there's

1241
01:45:56,86 --> 01:46:02,87
a couple other items I put in the
letter. Dated October thirtieth.

1242
01:46:04,24 --> 01:46:05,63
About there's been

1243
01:46:05,64 --> 01:46:10,90
a lot of discussion about the drainage
analysis. They do some winterizing of this

1244
01:46:11,44 --> 01:46:18,04
and there's another the largest. Detention
basins that serves that kind of

1245
01:46:18,05 --> 01:46:25,01
runoff from Cory isn't taken into
account so I think you know. Between

1246
01:46:25,02 --> 01:46:30,13
those other pond in the winterizing which
you know involves actually nation of

1247
01:46:30,14 --> 01:46:35,35
a pit within the mine itself. I
don't think it's necessary to from

1248
01:46:35,36 --> 01:46:40,80
a stormwater standpoint to limit the size
of the mind active mining area to three

1249
01:46:40,81 --> 01:46:45,28
quarters of an acre. Thank you.

1250
01:46:48,23 --> 01:46:54,35
First Lovelace question in terms of the.
There is a correction whether that's

1251
01:46:54,36 --> 01:46:59,31
a operational issue or reclamation issue
area to be reclaimed is based on the area

1252
01:46:59,55 --> 01:47:05,29
operated upon price so if that's going to
be I mean isn't it necessary to approve

1253
01:47:05,30 --> 01:47:11,21
a reclamation plan to know what the area
of operations are. He says restricting.

1254
01:47:12,30 --> 01:47:18,78
But we have one. Engineer may want to
respond to that question but I believe the

1255
01:47:18,79 --> 01:47:24,27
plan is for what's currently operated I
don't know if it ticks acted to go up to

1256
01:47:24,28 --> 01:47:29,41
the five acre footprint
or maximum So if we have

1257
01:47:29,42 --> 01:47:34,28
a reclamation plan that's based on that
confirming that that's the area of the plan

1258
01:47:34,29 --> 01:47:35,20
and that's all that's govern

1259
01:47:35,21 --> 01:47:40,77
a thing beyond that it's not subject to
this is. Seems like that would be an

1260
01:47:40,78 --> 01:47:47,76
important point. If we were to remove
the condition is presently presented

1261
01:47:47,77 --> 01:47:54,61
and the reclamation work that
engineer is backing up doesn't cover

1262
01:47:54,62 --> 01:47:59,77
five acres of disturbance then we would
have an obvious problem down the road

1263
01:47:59,82 --> 01:48:04,56
either the state might question whether
we have to do an amendment to the

1264
01:48:04,57 --> 01:48:10,28
reclamation plan. And that might come up
on an annual review so it might be back

1265
01:48:10,29 --> 01:48:13,80
before you would be best to take care of
it at this hearing if we can find out the

1266
01:48:13,81 --> 01:48:20,64
answer. Once again. This

1267
01:48:20,65 --> 01:48:26,80
is an operational issue OK the size and
area of the mine that deals with the runoff

1268
01:48:27,02 --> 01:48:33,50
and all of this with nothing to do with
the reclamation planet so because this is

1269
01:48:33,51 --> 01:48:40,48
all these when the plan is implemented
as staff says. Some of these permits may

1270
01:48:40,49 --> 01:48:44,41
be required we may have to get a
permit for our caller if it could be

1271
01:48:44,42 --> 01:48:45,34
a bigger it could be

1272
01:48:45,35 --> 01:48:50,26
a smaller area at that point in time then
you would go to water quality and say OK

1273
01:48:50,30 --> 01:48:52,23
what do we need to do we need to get

1274
01:48:52,24 --> 01:48:56,07
a permit for you folks
or game OK we need to do

1275
01:48:56,08 --> 01:49:01,15
a bird suite what do we need to do you
can't you can at this point in time say in

1276
01:49:01,16 --> 01:49:07,03
fifteen years what their criteria may be
or you can say is they may be subject crew

1277
01:49:07,04 --> 01:49:13,39
permit and each agency's will have to look
at it and see if they are not and you

1278
01:49:13,40 --> 01:49:13,99
know I've heard

1279
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:17,83
a lot of stuff about water quality but I've
never seen anything written from saying

1280
01:49:17,98 --> 01:49:18,96
you got to come down here to get

1281
01:49:18,97 --> 01:49:24,37
a permit there's no reports that we met
with them we met with them several times we

1282
01:49:24,38 --> 01:49:28,01
met in the late as Friday of
last week and then there were as

1283
01:49:28,02 --> 01:49:30,04
a lot are saying you
need a permit you need

1284
01:49:30,05 --> 01:49:37,04
a sweep so to say that OK at that point
in time you mate you will have to abide

1285
01:49:37,05 --> 01:49:41,10
by all of these agencies it's all you can
do because you don't know at that point

1286
01:49:41,11 --> 01:49:45,92
in time what they were and maybe so this
is definitely an operational thing does

1287
01:49:45,93 --> 01:49:46,56
not belong in

1288
01:49:46,57 --> 01:49:55,23
a reclamation plan Thank you. It

1289
01:49:55,24 --> 01:49:55,43
was

1290
01:49:55,44 --> 01:50:02,43
a brass question Steve so Steve I'm hearing
you say you know if this isn't. Addressed

1291
01:50:02,55 --> 01:50:06,46
in this at this moment in time somewhere
down the road we may have to come back if

1292
01:50:06,47 --> 01:50:13,43
they decide to go next and use all their
five acres. I guess so to speak and

1293
01:50:13,44 --> 01:50:18,75
I guess my thought is. If they decide that
they're going to go beyond what they've

1294
01:50:18,76 --> 01:50:22,37
currently got in this plan and it
does come back to us it results in

1295
01:50:22,38 --> 01:50:26,29
a couple extra meetings basically I mean
I'm just trying to go because I can

1296
01:50:26,30 --> 01:50:29,59
understand the thought of all are trying
to guess what we're looking towards the

1297
01:50:29,60 --> 01:50:35,74
future which I mean we are always trying
to do. And sometimes you know. You can.

1298
01:50:36,88 --> 01:50:41,83
Trying to develop thing act
here so. Right time. No.

1299
01:50:45,17 --> 01:50:47,51
You know if I'm still here I'll be willing
to come back if you need to live with

1300
01:50:47,52 --> 01:50:53,34
again. In a question. OK We have

1301
01:50:53,35 --> 01:51:00,33
a motion in the second dollars
and I did on. Do you have

1302
01:51:00,34 --> 01:51:07,03
what you need. I believe so so
just to to just wrap up the last

1303
01:51:07,04 --> 01:51:11,21
condition that we just spoke of that the
discussion that your board had for number

1304
01:51:11,22 --> 01:51:16,51
twenty was that that's more of an
operational issue and that if. The operator

1305
01:51:16,52 --> 01:51:21,17
expands the use beyond what is currently
done they will revise their read plan in

1306
01:51:21,18 --> 01:51:24,74
come in and that is your
expectation that's correct yes.

1307
01:51:29,54 --> 01:51:31,83
QUESTION I was just going to make

1308
01:51:31,84 --> 01:51:38,34
a comment on the. The other one the
condition twenty one the monitoring.

1309
01:51:39,93 --> 01:51:43,32
It's yes this is the reclamation plan
and that's my understanding of that

1310
01:51:43,32 --> 01:51:47,46
monitoring after record restoration to make
sure that the restoration work was done

1311
01:51:47,46 --> 01:51:51,22
correctly in fact is done in summer is
irrelevant because the first test of it will

1312
01:51:51,23 --> 01:51:55,72
be with the rainfall and if it sits through
six dry months when it rains that's

1313
01:51:55,73 --> 01:51:59,52
going to be the first test it's not going
to matter with it's ten days or six

1314
01:51:59,53 --> 01:52:05,35
months or whatever the big storm of ants
are the test of erosion control work and

1315
01:52:05,37 --> 01:52:11,24
so I. You know it's clear to me that it's
not an operational thing that's directly

1316
01:52:11,24 --> 01:52:17,69
relating to the reclamation plan. And
that doing it in the dry months isn't the

1317
01:52:17,70 --> 01:52:23,98
issue so anyway I just want
to stay that. But Fell

1318
01:52:24,51 --> 01:52:27,66
Well I just want to say here that
you know we started off with

1319
01:52:27,67 --> 01:52:33,90
a large package which had some
issues involved included that

1320
01:52:34,54 --> 01:52:39,83
we actually had objections. So we've
strayed very far away from the reclamation

1321
01:52:39,84 --> 01:52:45,96
plan and I think we need to stay focused
on that. Some of those issues will be

1322
01:52:45,97 --> 01:52:52,03
dealt in other ways with regard to the
operation of the of the project how it might

1323
01:52:52,04 --> 01:52:57,92
be addressed by different agencies it's
clear that the Planning Commission went

1324
01:52:57,93 --> 01:53:04,85
through it and already added language and
hands conditions so at this point I feel

1325
01:53:05,35 --> 01:53:11,81
comfortable in supporting
the motion. To thank you

1326
01:53:12,46 --> 01:53:17,08
and through the chair I've just informed
by staff that wanted to put this forward

1327
01:53:17,09 --> 01:53:17,53
because it was

1328
01:53:17,54 --> 01:53:21,24
a question asked by your board last time
the applicant at this time has yet to

1329
01:53:21,25 --> 01:53:27,58
return the indemnification agreement that
we proffer to him. So that is sort of an

1330
01:53:27,59 --> 01:53:32,71
outstanding issue from the last hearing
that that we are continued today from the I

1331
01:53:32,72 --> 01:53:39,06
think I would I would ask is that if your
board. Basically continue this item so

1332
01:53:39,07 --> 01:53:39,73
that we can prepare

1333
01:53:39,74 --> 01:53:43,36
a resolution of denial which includes the
findings that your board has made today

1334
01:53:43,55 --> 01:53:46,27
and then bring it bad for the next meeting
and we can have it on the Consent

1335
01:53:46,28 --> 01:53:51,15
Calendar at that point in your report can
vote perhaps that would be my suggestion

1336
01:53:51,16 --> 01:53:58,15
if counsel Chaiten agrees. Yeah I agree.
But we have it ready for the next meeting

1337
01:53:58,16 --> 01:54:02,44
do you think or I just don't
want to that's pretty soon but.

1338
01:54:07,82 --> 01:54:10,75
But I do think we should bring it back
with the appropriate resolution in the

1339
01:54:10,77 --> 01:54:11,48
findings.

1340
01:54:24,70 --> 01:54:27,59
Snow meeting. To be two weeks.

1341
01:54:32,60 --> 01:54:39,57
When. We meet next week or is it
the week after. We do not meet

1342
01:54:39,58 --> 01:54:44,77
on Christmas Eve No we meet next Tuesday
and next week if there are less so we

1343
01:54:44,78 --> 01:54:48,95
following so if you don't do it
this next week it'd be three weeks.

1344
01:54:56,61 --> 01:54:59,49
I think perhaps the first meeting of
January would be better given everyone's

1345
01:54:59,50 --> 01:55:01,89
holiday schedule. That would be

1346
01:55:01,90 --> 01:55:08,73
a status request. And then the
indemnification part is. Would you

1347
01:55:08,74 --> 01:55:13,70
want that included in here.
Something that's holding that up.

1348
01:55:25,18 --> 01:55:30,46
Staff has given Mr Schneider the indemnification
that we offer to applicants and my

1349
01:55:30,47 --> 01:55:34,24
understanding from staff is that it hasn't
been returned signed at all I think when

1350
01:55:34,25 --> 01:55:41,16
John was running I mean it's not customary
when you don't have one hundred nine and

1351
01:55:41,46 --> 01:55:47,38
Asians on the direct measure. For discretionary
items it is recommended that we do

1352
01:55:47,39 --> 01:55:49,06
an added benefit cations and this is

1353
01:55:49,07 --> 01:55:54,15
a discretionary item recommended
we pay for makers who want to make

1354
01:55:54,16 --> 01:55:55,62
a decision one of them behind it

1355
01:56:02,34 --> 01:56:05,31
it is definitely something within your
board's discretion if you wish to take on if

1356
01:56:05,32 --> 01:56:09,07
there's any legal challenges if you
wish to pay for it. That's what the

1357
01:56:09,08 --> 01:56:13,03
indemnification does that says that if
we are sued over this approval for this

1358
01:56:13,04 --> 01:56:19,46
denial that. The mining the applicant
Well the mining operator will pay for the

1359
01:56:19,61 --> 01:56:24,13
defense of that legal challenge. Otherwise
it'll be up to your board to either pay

1360
01:56:24,14 --> 01:56:29,84
for the defense out of the county general
fund or revisit this issue and reverse

1361
01:56:29,85 --> 01:56:36,64
your decision. I don't recall
that discussion in our last

1362
01:56:36,65 --> 01:56:43,58
meeting because we kind of continued on
to this week this meeting. Here is no

1363
01:56:43,91 --> 01:56:48,41
With that I mean I in that I don't mind I'd
like to get this done but I don't mind

1364
01:56:48,42 --> 01:56:51,63
waiting to get the correct findings but
I'd also like to have something brought

1365
01:56:51,64 --> 01:56:55,52
back at the time that very clearly
identifies it and occasion because I don't

1366
01:56:55,53 --> 01:56:59,22
recall that discussion happening not
saying it didn't there there's you know

1367
01:56:59,32 --> 01:57:03,40
hundreds of pages that we have here in front
of us so that would have been helpful

1368
01:57:03,41 --> 01:57:06,08
to have. A reminder of

1369
01:57:06,09 --> 01:57:10,33
a little bit sooner than at this moment
but I certainly would like to have more

1370
01:57:10,34 --> 01:57:11,30
information on that.

1371
01:57:20,46 --> 01:57:24,76
And just we can be prepared what. What's
the tenor of the information you'd like

1372
01:57:24,76 --> 01:57:27,83
how do you know I think I'm you know
just curious you know when we say it's

1373
01:57:27,83 --> 01:57:31,97
recommended we give it all people with
discretionary permits curious you know who

1374
01:57:31,97 --> 01:57:36,92
takes advantage who doesn't was I mean what
is what is that resulted in for us have

1375
01:57:36,92 --> 01:57:42,09
we seen you know. You know lawsuits going
forward I want to be able you know look

1376
01:57:42,09 --> 01:57:43,09
at it and go OK I can make

1377
01:57:43,11 --> 01:57:47,12
a reasoned decision on that and I feel
like this was just kind of like oh by the

1378
01:57:47,14 --> 01:57:51,59
way here we go and I just feel like I
need more information to feel comfortable

1379
01:57:51,61 --> 01:57:57,87
either way on the and then the vacation
concept. Of chaotically Thank you

1380
01:57:59,85 --> 01:58:05,15
OK So. It's not going to come back. So.

1381
01:58:08,43 --> 01:58:15,34
Are you going to change
your motion to. Get some I

1382
01:58:15,35 --> 01:58:22,23
have to censor. The rules of the game
keep changing. I guess I'll pull the

1383
01:58:23,47 --> 01:58:29,48
trigger so pull the motion and you have
to on them during appreciation. Do we

1384
01:58:29,49 --> 01:58:34,29
defend it in house two we have to hire our
house are we going to you know I love

1385
01:58:34,30 --> 01:58:36,45
lawsuits you know without having

1386
01:58:36,46 --> 01:58:39,92
a lawsuit in front of us and hopefully we
won't it's really hard to answer those

1387
01:58:39,93 --> 01:58:46,89
questions right now I mean it would depend
on the nature of the litigation if there

1388
01:58:46,90 --> 01:58:52,77
is any the nature of the relegation
zone in front of us is not.

1389
01:58:59,54 --> 01:59:05,26
If you're the second. I'm damned if the
motion is to continue that I'm and have

1390
01:59:05,27 --> 01:59:11,59
staff bring the item back with the findings
in the resolution to make it accurately

1391
01:59:11,63 --> 01:59:17,17
reflect. The board's decision today to
support the Planning Commission and to bring

1392
01:59:17,18 --> 01:59:21,05
back information on this and then the
vacation concept and that would be my motion

1393
01:59:21,06 --> 01:59:27,98
at second. So she said OK. Friends
who love us so I guess there's

1394
01:59:28,43 --> 01:59:33,70
the immediate motion is to bring this back
but I'm hearing the motion as including

1395
01:59:34,16 --> 01:59:40,27
with conditions of approval for
supporting the plan denying the appeal

1396
01:59:40,97 --> 01:59:46,01
outright and so that's the piece that I
have to focus on in voting no on the motion

1397
01:59:46,02 --> 01:59:52,34
of OK we have motion in the
second favor please say I. Post.

1398
01:59:53,95 --> 02:00:00,73
Or will. OK Sorry about the
time set for pretty clock. But

1399
02:00:00,82 --> 02:00:04,44
we are there well bit behind. We can.

1400
02:00:07,93 --> 02:00:12,96
OK go fast. And then with.

1401
02:00:35,50 --> 02:00:41,77
I think one of these regarding reclamation
operational role. Or not about

1402
02:00:41,78 --> 02:00:42,49
operations.

1403
02:00:49,08 --> 02:00:49,33
Yet.

1404
02:01:04,68 --> 02:01:05,12
We are taking

1405
02:01:05,13 --> 02:04:26,31
a break. He said. OK

1406
02:04:26,32 --> 02:04:27,05
fine I'm going to go.

1407
02:04:47,06 --> 02:04:47,47
Sheesh.

1408
02:05:54,19 --> 02:05:54,42
OK.

1409
02:06:20,68 --> 02:06:27,43
OK welcome back and we are
moving to our three thirty

1410
02:06:27,44 --> 02:06:34,06
eight time set. For an update on the
Mad River had trees and genetic

1411
02:06:34,07 --> 02:06:36,31
management brought to us by

1412
02:06:36,32 --> 02:06:42,28
a supervisor of. OK.

1413
02:06:43,64 --> 02:06:50,12
Well thank supervisor bone for wanting to
get this item on the agenda here there's

1414
02:06:50,13 --> 02:06:50,24
been

1415
02:06:50,25 --> 02:06:56,43
a lot of discussion about. The Mad River
hatchery and their genetics management plan

1416
02:06:56,44 --> 02:07:02,86
or he. And. Just are
ongoing operations and

1417
02:07:03,76 --> 02:07:07,59
with the questions that have been out there
about it seem like a good time to hear

1418
02:07:07,78 --> 02:07:12,53
a presentation from the actor and so going
to welcome Phil Barrington and I believe

1419
02:07:12,54 --> 02:07:12,69
got

1420
02:07:12,70 --> 02:07:18,67
a number of other folks too who are also
going to be perhaps making comments are not

1421
02:07:18,68 --> 02:07:25,35
sure but. Welcome. My name is
Philip buried and I'm the senior

1422
02:07:25,36 --> 02:07:30,74
environmental scientist or department
official my life. And I've been responsible

1423
02:07:30,78 --> 02:07:34,98
for. Developing the hatchery and
genetics man to plan for a matter of

1424
02:07:34,99 --> 02:07:40,88
a hacker. At the end when
we if we have questions.

1425
02:07:42,10 --> 02:07:48,58
I've got. The staff in the parliament here.
She had over ten years they had three

1426
02:07:48,59 --> 02:07:55,55
manager staff environmental scientists Mark
Wheatley and another scientist. Michael

1427
02:07:55,56 --> 02:07:58,51
Sparkman were here for some
of the technical issues.

1428
02:08:08,51 --> 02:08:09,20
Like to do about

1429
02:08:09,21 --> 02:08:16,22
a three minute brief overview.
The status of. When

1430
02:08:16,23 --> 02:08:21,80
to run steelhead in northern California
to state population segment as it relates

1431
02:08:21,81 --> 02:08:27,45
to matter hatchery and thank you for
giving you this opportunity to talk. It is

1432
02:08:27,46 --> 02:08:33,09
August seventh two thousand. National
Oceanographic and mission Atmospheric

1433
02:08:33,10 --> 02:08:37,39
Administration and names. Referred
to in the document that were.

1434
02:08:39,64 --> 02:08:45,28
Listed. When run steelhead or just steelhead
in the northern California distinct

1435
02:08:45,29 --> 02:08:50,99
population segment of federally threatened
species. In two thousand and four there

1436
02:08:51,00 --> 02:08:51,41
was

1437
02:08:51,42 --> 02:08:58,23
a. Ruling about the one thousand
nine hundred three hatchery listing

1438
02:08:58,24 --> 02:09:03,43
policy and in two thousand and four. That.

1439
02:09:04,98 --> 02:09:06,24
Was translated into

1440
02:09:06,25 --> 02:09:10,64
a new policy and it was like in two thousand
and five the policy on consideration

1441
02:09:10,65 --> 02:09:15,44
of hatchery steelhead. In the
two thousand and six the.

1442
02:09:18,90 --> 02:09:25,22
Reaffirmed the steelhead in this distinct
population segment as threatened under

1443
02:09:25,23 --> 02:09:31,86
USA. The D.P.'s sting operation
segment does not include northern

1444
02:09:31,87 --> 02:09:37,64
California steelhead propagated at night
river hatchery. Apparently excluded the

1445
02:09:38,27 --> 02:09:40,49
river hatchery propagation program because

1446
02:09:40,50 --> 02:09:45,51
a matter hatchery origin fish were thought
to be substantially reproductively

1447
02:09:45,52 --> 02:09:50,46
isolated from other conscious if it population
units and that they do not represent

1448
02:09:50,47 --> 02:09:55,42
an important component in the evolutionary
legacy of the species because not hatch

1449
02:09:55,43 --> 02:10:01,21
origin. Northern California still has
propagated by member Hatch are not considered

1450
02:10:01,22 --> 02:10:02,21
part of the D.P.S.

1451
02:10:02,62 --> 02:10:08,83
They are also not of the listed so let me
jump out of that history to what happened

1452
02:10:09,41 --> 02:10:13,17
in two thousand and five the
department decided to develop

1453
02:10:13,18 --> 02:10:18,15
a heterogenous imagine plan for Med river
hatchery by two thousand and seven there

1454
02:10:18,16 --> 02:10:23,73
was one point zero developed by two
thousand and nine there was a more or less

1455
02:10:23,74 --> 02:10:30,25
a final document developed by Larry Preston
and he was scheduled to retire in the

1456
02:10:30,26 --> 02:10:35,35
end of two thousand and nine. There were
some comments that came from them so after

1457
02:10:35,48 --> 02:10:42,04
he retired and we picked it up
again. With the instigation of the

1458
02:10:42,83 --> 02:10:49,66
epic lawsuit. In the latter part of
two thousand and twelve such that by

1459
02:10:49,72 --> 02:10:54,48
June twentieth. Two thousand
and thirteen we had

1460
02:10:54,49 --> 02:11:01,08
a final draft revised draft from the
two thousand and nine document. And I

1461
02:11:01,27 --> 02:11:05,93
formally transmitted it to nips back in
two thousand and nine and actually back

1462
02:11:06,15 --> 02:11:12,27
from two thousand and eight we had informally.
Transmitted the document and if we

1463
02:11:12,28 --> 02:11:16,72
do have questions about the document itself
I can go through that but there's this

1464
02:11:16,73 --> 02:11:22,03
informal process of going back and forth
between them so in our staff to review

1465
02:11:22,04 --> 02:11:27,70
section by section line by line page by
page right now is in that code manager

1466
02:11:27,71 --> 02:11:34,56
review status. Once we
delivered it. In June they

1467
02:11:34,60 --> 02:11:40,05
responded with September nineteenth with
their co-manager comments and then the

1468
02:11:40,10 --> 02:11:45,07
draft that I have here in front of me is
what I sent back to them responding to

1469
02:11:45,08 --> 02:11:52,07
their comments October seventeenth
two thousand and thirteen and. The

1470
02:11:52,08 --> 02:11:57,24
supervisor for. Review of the. G.M.P.

1471
02:11:57,25 --> 02:12:03,75
Is here and she told me last night that
they hope to have the second shot of

1472
02:12:03,98 --> 02:12:10,84
Commander review comments to
me by writing this week. So

1473
02:12:10,85 --> 02:12:16,97
that's where we're at we have. Gone back
and forth with it for years and now we

1474
02:12:16,98 --> 02:12:17,12
have

1475
02:12:17,13 --> 02:12:22,33
a formal transmittal we're close I think to
responding to all the comments that they

1476
02:12:22,34 --> 02:12:29,19
might have we were happy with it about in
June but I can certainly see that our.

1477
02:12:30,22 --> 02:12:36,56
Our partners in this yes and the department
are working very closely together with

1478
02:12:36,57 --> 02:12:42,43
a very amicable kind of relationship. I
understood their comments responded to

1479
02:12:42,44 --> 02:12:48,13
their comments as best I could as faster
turnaround as we possibly could knowing

1480
02:12:48,14 --> 02:12:54,19
that the spawning steelhead takes place
usually the last week of December the first

1481
02:12:54,20 --> 02:12:59,63
week of January and this case will be
December thirty first and it will continue

1482
02:12:59,64 --> 02:13:03,91
for twelve weeks after that and we
knew that in order for the H.T.T.P.

1483
02:13:03,92 --> 02:13:05,69
To be approved to be on

1484
02:13:05,70 --> 02:13:10,80
a very fast timeline since we're still in
the process of going back and forth with

1485
02:13:10,81 --> 02:13:17,65
it we haven't even started the. Process
of national environmental protection. So

1486
02:13:17,66 --> 02:13:21,99
with that if you have technical questions
I might be answered be able to answer

1487
02:13:22,00 --> 02:13:25,73
some of them but my question was should
probably be the one to answer some of those

1488
02:13:25,74 --> 02:13:32,64
questions and. The rest of the
staff and if you. Two of us pass

1489
02:13:33,05 --> 02:13:37,25
Thank you Mr Chair and thank you I don't
have any technical questions I guess you

1490
02:13:37,26 --> 02:13:41,24
know as someone who has been trying to
learn about this in bits and pieces My

1491
02:13:41,25 --> 02:13:42,01
question is if there's been

1492
02:13:42,02 --> 02:13:45,70
a lawsuit but you're now moving forward
and you look like you have like some end

1493
02:13:45,71 --> 02:13:52,52
game now ending in sight. Just sort
of you know curious why why do why

1494
02:13:52,53 --> 02:13:55,95
is the lawsuit being continued to be pressed
you know it seems like you're doing

1495
02:13:55,96 --> 02:13:58,51
what you're supposed to be
doing and I think it's just

1496
02:13:58,52 --> 02:14:02,34
a frustration that I see when when I
just don't enter Billy understand what

1497
02:14:02,35 --> 02:14:05,10
someone's endgame is so it's
not question it's more of

1498
02:14:05,11 --> 02:14:11,93
a just. Comment The department's
lawyers and lawyers

1499
02:14:12,56 --> 02:14:14,52
met with the judge and created

1500
02:14:14,53 --> 02:14:21,77
a settlement May thirty
first two thousand. Natural

1501
02:14:21,78 --> 02:14:27,14
origin fish now you might say you might
think well OK maybe you can handle that you

1502
02:14:27,15 --> 02:14:33,32
are going when the Steelhead who are running
up the river encounters fish that are

1503
02:14:33,91 --> 02:14:38,94
they don't know who they are and so
we encounter. Origin fish as well as

1504
02:14:38,95 --> 02:14:44,71
a natural origin fish in the trap of.
Fish and even if we were to go out in the

1505
02:14:44,72 --> 02:14:48,63
river and seen that this would still
be handling this and that would be

1506
02:14:48,64 --> 02:14:55,30
a violation. Too

1507
02:14:55,31 --> 02:14:56,93
versatile ace I've got

1508
02:14:56,94 --> 02:15:03,19
a question about that because the the
language of the stipulation of stay. States.

1509
02:15:06,08 --> 02:15:07,10
That U.S.

1510
02:15:07,11 --> 02:15:11,98
Fish and Wildlife will not make any. Grant
Despard dispersants etc for the purpose

1511
02:15:11,99 --> 02:15:18,52
of collection trapping or use of natural
origin steelhead trout for brood stock and

1512
02:15:18,53 --> 02:15:24,41
so it implies that it's for the for the
purpose of breeding and whether they

1513
02:15:24,42 --> 02:15:28,02
actually get in there or not is
not. The defining factor it's

1514
02:15:28,03 --> 02:15:33,21
a matter of the root stock and so the idea
that it prevents the ability to operate

1515
02:15:33,22 --> 02:15:37,36
to trap or capturing.
Hatchery origin fish.

1516
02:15:41,03 --> 02:15:45,21
I'm wondering that's not that's not how
I read what's in here but the bigger

1517
02:15:45,22 --> 02:15:48,79
question though is the expected timeline
and you and I spoke about this earlier.

1518
02:15:50,17 --> 02:15:57,08
That you know in terms of. With
the comments from the amps that

1519
02:15:57,09 --> 02:16:02,63
you'll be receiving Hopefully Friday and
turning those around and such. What the

1520
02:16:02,64 --> 02:16:09,48
expected date is at which.
Standard is until there is

1521
02:16:09,49 --> 02:16:14,23
a hatchery genetics management plan or
take permit approved were issued by notes.

1522
02:16:15,32 --> 02:16:20,80
That he had that seems like that's something
that is coming towards us and you have

1523
02:16:20,81 --> 02:16:27,00
an exit estimate of when you. Best case
scenario when you think that might be it's

1524
02:16:27,01 --> 02:16:32,98
a good question. And historically for the
state for the nation there's over fifty

1525
02:16:33,69 --> 02:16:36,11
genetics American plans have been written

1526
02:16:36,74 --> 02:16:40,81
a little over half of them have been
approved none of them have been approved in

1527
02:16:40,82 --> 02:16:45,28
the state of California so it's hard to
to to answer that question it's kind of

1528
02:16:45,29 --> 02:16:50,77
hard at say but what I would say having
talked to Jeffrey John who is one of the

1529
02:16:50,78 --> 02:16:56,78
regulators with me and. He thought that
if we had the environmental assessment of

1530
02:16:56,79 --> 02:17:02,82
biological opinion public scoping and the
Federal Register notification for public

1531
02:17:02,83 --> 02:17:05,58
comment these things could
take place at a minimum

1532
02:17:06,10 --> 02:17:10,67
a minimum was three months. Because we don't
have any approved and there have been

1533
02:17:11,09 --> 02:17:16,60
those that have been submitted over the
years I don't know what the the end long

1534
02:17:16,64 --> 02:17:22,90
version is but so far none of them. My
hope because of the lawsuit and because it

1535
02:17:22,94 --> 02:17:28,56
actually stops the hatchery spawning would
be that we could get this resolved in

1536
02:17:28,67 --> 02:17:31,74
two thousand and fourteen and
go through that process that's

1537
02:17:31,75 --> 02:17:33,00
a that's twelve months is

1538
02:17:33,01 --> 02:17:37,25
a lot longer than three months and I think
we could do that I was hoping we could

1539
02:17:37,26 --> 02:17:42,30
do that actually this summer and we would
be close to December that we would get

1540
02:17:42,31 --> 02:17:42,46
through

1541
02:17:42,47 --> 02:17:49,24
a three month period by then but that's not
happening now so. I am fairly confident

1542
02:17:49,30 --> 02:17:55,73
that we could get this completely approved
as per the settlement. Before the two

1543
02:17:55,74 --> 02:17:57,73
thousand and fifteen years which would be

1544
02:17:57,77 --> 02:18:02,85
a good join with every March of two
thousand and fifteen. Spawning.

1545
02:18:04,70 --> 02:18:06,68
If I may you included within there are

1546
02:18:06,69 --> 02:18:13,33
a couple of other things besides the.
Approval of the draft age G.M.P.

1547
02:18:13,70 --> 02:18:15,99
And so is it bad earlier and there's

1548
02:18:16,64 --> 02:18:22,39
a different threshold in terms of. One
that's gone through we have finished with

1549
02:18:22,40 --> 02:18:28,34
all the other certification right before
we get into the need of process we have to

1550
02:18:28,35 --> 02:18:30,89
have both sides agreeing that this is

1551
02:18:31,77 --> 02:18:35,20
a pretty good document or do
recognize that once we get

1552
02:18:35,21 --> 02:18:38,54
a new process and we
have public scoping and

1553
02:18:38,94 --> 02:18:42,79
a comment period in the Federal Register
in the biological pinioned these things

1554
02:18:42,80 --> 02:18:43,47
could alter the

1555
02:18:44,23 --> 02:18:50,21
a little bit I don't think the
altering it's of fashion. And

1556
02:18:50,72 --> 02:18:57,13
until we have an approved. We are out
of compliance with the environment.

1557
02:19:01,11 --> 02:19:06,46
The idea had been for the department is
that with an interim pay that would be OK

1558
02:19:06,90 --> 02:19:13,14
and we're working on it. So the epic lawsuit
was precise about that we didn't have

1559
02:19:13,68 --> 02:19:20,66
a technically approved document
so my my thought about that

1560
02:19:20,67 --> 02:19:27,20
was once they see this document formally
transmitted and we're actively engaged

1561
02:19:27,32 --> 02:19:33,37
with it that. Things might
change but I do have to

1562
02:19:34,16 --> 02:19:37,91
restate that you know our department
lawyers and the other lawyers met with

1563
02:19:37,92 --> 02:19:39,87
a judge and that came to

1564
02:19:39,88 --> 02:19:45,11
a settlement and so I'm not going to undermine
that settlement by suggesting we do

1565
02:19:45,47 --> 02:19:51,17
something other than that.
Understood. This was

1566
02:19:51,18 --> 02:19:55,98
a bone. Well I appreciate it
just because it seems like

1567
02:19:55,99 --> 02:20:00,49
a mere ten years ago when we hatched the
friends of the hatchery and had some

1568
02:20:00,50 --> 02:20:02,50
fundraisers and got together with

1569
02:20:02,51 --> 02:20:06,77
a whole bunch of concerned citizens and
raise some money to basically stop the

1570
02:20:06,78 --> 02:20:13,17
hatchery and the hatchery manager. Everybody
fish and game everybody jumped in to

1571
02:20:13,18 --> 02:20:17,43
save the hatchery because once it was
closed we were going to lose it and I just

1572
02:20:17,53 --> 02:20:20,91
and then when this came up there were so
many things mentioned about it I thought

1573
02:20:20,92 --> 02:20:21,34
it was to be

1574
02:20:21,35 --> 02:20:26,53
a good time to bring it forth because the
economic What amazed me back in those

1575
02:20:26,54 --> 02:20:31,35
days is they did the economic trick neuron
what that means to the economy and it is

1576
02:20:31,36 --> 02:20:36,15
absolutely astonishing what you know
a bunch of sports fishermen taken

1577
02:20:36,16 --> 02:20:40,80
a few guys fishing can bring to the economy
it's phenomenal and then the hatcheries

1578
02:20:40,81 --> 02:20:45,19
a big part of that so I appreciate the
report and that's why I was interested so

1579
02:20:45,20 --> 02:20:51,72
thank you. Is at the end of
the people I want to say

1580
02:20:52,37 --> 02:20:59,10
because party report. Like.
No other than answer

1581
02:20:59,11 --> 02:21:03,95
questions Was there any other parts to
your presentation All right let's take

1582
02:21:03,96 --> 02:21:10,19
public comment then is there anybody from
the public comment on this on. Your first

1583
02:21:10,20 --> 02:21:16,83
Mr of our shock. Supervisors
Good afternoon thanks for the

1584
02:21:16,84 --> 02:21:20,80
opportunity to provide just a not
so much feedback or comment but

1585
02:21:20,95 --> 02:21:25,28
a small trip down memory lane supervisor
bone I appreciate your bringing up the

1586
02:21:25,29 --> 02:21:27,96
friends of the matter for
the tree My name is Dave R.

1587
02:21:27,97 --> 02:21:31,19
Shock I was the president the friends and
matter of official tree from two thousand

1588
02:21:31,20 --> 02:21:35,27
and four all the way through when we closed
up shop in two thousand and seven this

1589
02:21:35,28 --> 02:21:38,82
is our farewell letter. The
friends board which was formed as

1590
02:21:38,83 --> 02:21:43,86
a community based group to save the matter
fish Ottery from certain closure due to

1591
02:21:43,87 --> 02:21:48,11
the state budget crisis is disbanding its
mission accomplished after several years

1592
02:21:48,12 --> 02:21:53,44
of community events that raced several
hundred thousand dollars of cash in kind

1593
02:21:53,59 --> 02:21:57,50
volunteer support the friends M
O U with the State Department

1594
02:21:57,51 --> 02:22:01,68
a fishing game ended June thirtieth two
thousand and seven as the first of its kind

1595
02:22:01,69 --> 02:22:07,85
ever to be done public private saving this
wonderful hatchery was an important was

1596
02:22:07,86 --> 02:22:09,46
important as it is not only

1597
02:22:09,47 --> 02:22:13,01
a major tourist revenue source
over one point two million

1598
02:22:13,02 --> 02:22:15,65
a year in fishing related purchases but

1599
02:22:15,66 --> 02:22:19,75
a cornerstone of the quality of life for
local families and school children.

1600
02:22:21,05 --> 02:22:25,10
Friends thanks the community for its
financial and volunteer labor support and

1601
02:22:25,11 --> 02:22:30,08
major donors to the project and this is
where it gets cool because this is all

1602
02:22:30,09 --> 02:22:35,96
spectrums all segments of society and here
Simpson green diamond the Palko other

1603
02:22:35,97 --> 02:22:40,46
local businesses donated goods and guided
trips that river Outfitters pro sports

1604
02:22:40,47 --> 02:22:45,36
center and many other on name debate yearly
donators the friends board also thanks

1605
02:22:45,37 --> 02:22:50,50
local board supervisors Joe Geist who was
then fifth District and Jimmy Smith first

1606
02:22:50,51 --> 02:22:54,31
district as well as Assembly Member
Patty Berg and Sen was Leach as

1607
02:22:54,32 --> 02:22:59,48
a pro for their successful legit legislative
advocacy that ultimately led to our

1608
02:22:59,49 --> 02:23:05,31
hatcheries refunding finally on behalf of
the community on behalf of the community

1609
02:23:05,32 --> 02:23:08,87
excuse me thanks to the Department of Fish
and Game Director Ryan Broaddrick and

1610
02:23:08,88 --> 02:23:13,11
his dedicated staff Tom Cook and Pat
Overton for their faith and willingness to

1611
02:23:13,12 --> 02:23:17,82
partner with the friends and Humboldt
County to save the hatchery on September

1612
02:23:17,83 --> 02:23:21,40
tenth two thousand and seven
just after noon we held

1613
02:23:21,41 --> 02:23:24,69
a dedication ceremony where
we dedicated a plaque on

1614
02:23:24,70 --> 02:23:27,85
a nice stone still out
of the hatchery today as

1615
02:23:27,86 --> 02:23:31,41
a symbol of what that hatchery
means to what county it's it's

1616
02:23:31,42 --> 02:23:35,43
a big part go out there on any given day
there's not very many places you can go.

1617
02:23:36,71 --> 02:23:41,41
And experience a generation gap like
that bridged through fishing and

1618
02:23:41,42 --> 02:23:47,81
a river without that hatchery it's gone all
that the social part of it the economic

1619
02:23:47,82 --> 02:23:52,42
part of it all that when I got word that
this was going on it made me really

1620
02:23:52,50 --> 02:23:56,63
nervous so I'm glad that we're taking this
up so thanks for the opportunity Rishi

1621
02:23:56,64 --> 02:24:03,51
it thank you welcome sexy

1622
02:24:03,52 --> 02:24:07,82
and you got resident and I can be able
to tell you in three minutes what I've

1623
02:24:07,83 --> 02:24:14,46
learned in fifty years regarding
fishery forestry and what have you. My

1624
02:24:14,47 --> 02:24:17,34
background started when I
was a kid got a choice

1625
02:24:17,35 --> 02:24:22,97
a matinee or fish and went fishing
I never went to the matinee. As

1626
02:24:22,98 --> 02:24:26,04
a forester I did some things that were
bad but I did some things that were good

1627
02:24:26,10 --> 02:24:29,33
nobody listen to the good now but
they listen to the bad there's

1628
02:24:29,34 --> 02:24:35,11
a lot of good going on that could happen I
helped with the Fort Bragg learned about

1629
02:24:35,12 --> 02:24:37,09
about a lot about fish we did

1630
02:24:37,10 --> 02:24:41,26
a little river study up there nobody wants
to listen to that thing anymore we've

1631
02:24:41,27 --> 02:24:42,73
got a real fishery expert in

1632
02:24:42,93 --> 02:24:46,79
a lot of experts now would cringe at
what he told me and what I learned I've

1633
02:24:46,80 --> 02:24:51,96
written all kinds of books about this now
having said all that up in Oregon they

1634
02:24:51,97 --> 02:24:52,10
had

1635
02:24:52,11 --> 02:24:56,38
a deal they were club in the fish coming
back to the hatchery when they had enough

1636
02:24:56,39 --> 02:25:01,42
to get they shut the gates let the fish run
in Runner up the river and they've been

1637
02:25:01,43 --> 02:25:06,27
doing that for years the years the mixing
was going on so don't tell me hatchery

1638
02:25:06,28 --> 02:25:09,66
fish wild fish are the only way
to do it there was a mix going on

1639
02:25:09,66 --> 02:25:12,62
a judge ruled the cordon of
that up in Oregon California is

1640
02:25:12,63 --> 02:25:18,98
a basket case that the legalese going on
around here put all your books aside I

1641
02:25:18,99 --> 02:25:23,21
mean you can listen to the experts and you
can follow all the rules but the logic

1642
02:25:23,22 --> 02:25:27,92
tells you that they're trying Mr Berryman
here is trying for one run one run I

1643
02:25:27,93 --> 02:25:31,67
don't know what five or seven runs out
there at the hatchery he trying to justify

1644
02:25:31,68 --> 02:25:36,69
one run I took a class out there
Humboldt State couple of classes we took

1645
02:25:36,70 --> 02:25:39,98
a look at the fishery and what are they
doing in there basically you're taking fish

1646
02:25:39,99 --> 02:25:44,55
out the River Raisin them put the fish
back in the river can't do that I don't

1647
02:25:44,56 --> 02:25:45,70
understand that there's

1648
02:25:45,71 --> 02:25:50,08
a lot of logic that's missing on this so
take your books and your legal leaves and

1649
02:25:50,09 --> 02:25:54,39
do what you want with them but you're
missing you're missing something here and I

1650
02:25:54,40 --> 02:25:57,98
as a well whatever in my
travels seen a lot of it

1651
02:25:58,93 --> 02:26:01,22
a lot of what could be done so if you want

1652
02:26:01,23 --> 02:26:06,69
a lot of fish while the ONLY is not going
to get you they're just not going to do

1653
02:26:06,70 --> 02:26:12,81
it and you need to have
your hatcheries. Welcome.

1654
02:26:16,40 --> 02:26:20,36
Good afternoon supervisors My name is not
only in the law and I'm here on behalf of

1655
02:26:20,65 --> 02:26:27,41
me today. I want to say that.
This lawsuit what it did

1656
02:26:27,90 --> 02:26:33,25
was it gave the push to complete the
hatchery genetic management plan that was

1657
02:26:33,67 --> 02:26:39,36
required by the federal endangered species
act hadn't been completed this lawsuit

1658
02:26:39,40 --> 02:26:45,61
is pushing towards the completion of
that plan epic will stay engaged in this

1659
02:26:45,62 --> 02:26:51,61
process throughout the NEPA process but
that once Noah approves the hatchery

1660
02:26:51,62 --> 02:26:57,39
genetic management plan that will meet the
terms of the settlement we do not want

1661
02:26:57,40 --> 02:27:02,96
to see that the hatchery are shut down but
we do want to see that the wild stocks

1662
02:27:03,00 --> 02:27:08,39
of salmon are given the fair chance that
they deserve to restore and recover

1663
02:27:08,40 --> 02:27:13,71
themselves and our north coast rivers so
again you know once Noah approves this

1664
02:27:13,72 --> 02:27:18,60
plan epic will be able to step back
we will stay engaged but that will be

1665
02:27:19,24 --> 02:27:25,08
a good resting point for us and providing
everything moves ahead we understand that

1666
02:27:25,09 --> 02:27:29,26
with the government shutdowns that's kind
of slowed things down with Noah but we

1667
02:27:29,27 --> 02:27:34,38
are all moving together as plaintiffs and
defendants and we are looking for common

1668
02:27:34,39 --> 02:27:41,11
ground and for solutions to keep the rivers
in the fish healthy and recovery thank

1669
02:27:41,12 --> 02:27:46,95
you. Natalie can I ask

1670
02:27:46,96 --> 02:27:53,24
a question. Just want to make sure I
understood where you're so in terms of

1671
02:27:53,98 --> 02:27:56,49
having a draft of the Gen X.

1672
02:27:56,50 --> 02:28:00,50
Management plan that has that's approved
by no official reason is to standards that

1673
02:28:00,51 --> 02:28:07,12
you're looking for rather than the final
need certified product OK Thank you.

1674
02:28:10,59 --> 02:28:17,40
Welcome. I think you'd

1675
02:28:17,45 --> 02:28:20,01
be pinned down my question and
it sounds like we might be at

1676
02:28:20,02 --> 02:28:25,80
a point. Where that with that draft we can
proceed in here I guess it still has to

1677
02:28:25,81 --> 02:28:29,92
go back before the judge and I would be
hoping that the judge would allow I guess

1678
02:28:29,93 --> 02:28:36,47
probably to amend the agreement they have
to allow that to happen. I would it was

1679
02:28:36,48 --> 02:28:40,73
going back through here and I say Bill that
it was very important to me it's it was

1680
02:28:40,74 --> 02:28:45,04
from the desk of Mark loveless and it's
dated nine of twelve and it's basically

1681
02:28:45,05 --> 02:28:48,44
a letter of support for what I brought
forward as far as getting the hattrick going

1682
02:28:48,45 --> 02:28:53,96
appreciated Mark support greatly in working
with everybody involved in this along

1683
02:28:53,97 --> 02:28:58,38
with everybody else here to to accomplish
to get to this point and I really

1684
02:28:58,39 --> 02:29:03,05
appreciate epochs willingness not to just
hold it right to the end and slam it down

1685
02:29:03,06 --> 02:29:04,45
I think that is

1686
02:29:04,65 --> 02:29:11,52
a very fair thing and it raises my esteem
for their legitimacy and what they do I

1687
02:29:11,53 --> 02:29:15,89
know that my my communication is there's
been all kinds of roadblocks in this thing

1688
02:29:15,90 --> 02:29:19,66
for Mr Berrington games change two or three
times but that's that's normal and I

1689
02:29:19,67 --> 02:29:23,45
think we're kind of close to the finish
line here so again I would like to thank

1690
02:29:23,97 --> 02:29:29,09
all or all of you for your your support
in the hatchery there and as to how to

1691
02:29:29,10 --> 02:29:33,74
hopefully of all this and those in some
needs here and then and I like I've said

1692
02:29:33,75 --> 02:29:36,90
before I'd love to see it mothballed after
we bring the fishery back to the extent

1693
02:29:36,91 --> 02:29:38,78
will be totally self-sufficient there's

1694
02:29:38,79 --> 02:29:43,01
a concept of rooting boxes out there I
guess where you actually do site specific.

1695
02:29:44,37 --> 02:29:47,51
Eggs and raise them in certain areas
and of course that's a way to go to

1696
02:29:47,52 --> 02:29:51,44
a farce filling in you know it's dry. I
don't know what will happen but bring the

1697
02:29:51,45 --> 02:29:56,67
salmon back giving it that help if we can
if Nora and amps and everybody feels it's

1698
02:29:56,68 --> 02:30:02,21
a thing to go with with another genetic
with the salmon there. Is just so many I

1699
02:30:02,22 --> 02:30:04,61
was brought in this by a salmon
fisherman he said can't we had

1700
02:30:04,62 --> 02:30:09,68
a fantastic year that was back before this
date mark his letter here and he said

1701
02:30:09,73 --> 02:30:14,17
can we can you do anything to find out how
we can bring the salmon back to the Mad

1702
02:30:14,18 --> 02:30:18,99
River which we had all our salmon fishing
and our fish reactors so it may not

1703
02:30:19,00 --> 02:30:19,58
happen but it's

1704
02:30:19,59 --> 02:30:23,75
a goal and for the people like Philip
Crandall who goes he said he goes out there

1705
02:30:23,76 --> 02:30:25,10
twice a week it's

1706
02:30:25,11 --> 02:30:28,86
a beautiful spot out there I highly
recommend you take your kids out there you

1707
02:30:28,87 --> 02:30:30,90
still get to feed little
fish but it's just

1708
02:30:30,91 --> 02:30:37,42
a place to picnic and relax and enjoy. The
beauty of the Mad River in out there not

1709
02:30:37,43 --> 02:30:42,43
just the hatchery but to have the public
access down to the river and everything

1710
02:30:42,44 --> 02:30:43,81
that goes with the hatchery so it's

1711
02:30:43,82 --> 02:30:47,75
a very unique experience I took my kids
out there when they were young many years

1712
02:30:47,76 --> 02:30:51,92
ago and we fed the fish and it's just
part of our life out there so all these

1713
02:30:51,93 --> 02:30:55,45
people who spent this time bringing it
back it's greatly appreciated I'm kind of

1714
02:30:55,46 --> 02:30:59,06
a Johnny come lately in the thing and and
again I really appreciate your help on

1715
02:30:59,07 --> 02:31:04,85
this may appreciate epix working with us
on this thank you thank you and at the

1716
02:31:04,86 --> 02:31:11,60
public comments. Welcome. My name is

1717
02:31:11,62 --> 02:31:15,98
John Grant a ground ball ski I'm a
resident of Blue Lake. I've been

1718
02:31:15,99 --> 02:31:19,45
a State Farm insurance agent for thirty two
plus years but I also used to work for

1719
02:31:19,47 --> 02:31:25,17
the department fun and games. Sorry.
Now they're part of Fish and Wildlife.

1720
02:31:26,60 --> 02:31:26,81
I have

1721
02:31:26,81 --> 02:31:32,85
a bachelors and masters official whole
state I'm not here to refute any biology

1722
02:31:32,87 --> 02:31:38,04
hundreds here in support of the Mad River
high too was on the matter over say the

1723
02:31:38,05 --> 02:31:42,29
matter of fish hatchery program and I
worked at the hatchery helping spawn fish

1724
02:31:42,38 --> 02:31:48,33
every week my power washed probably half
to third of all those raceways out there

1725
02:31:48,34 --> 02:31:52,77
over the years to get it shipshape. I
just would hate to see that they have

1726
02:31:52,78 --> 02:31:58,67
triggered by. There's controversy over wild
stocks versus hatchery stocks but in my

1727
02:31:58,68 --> 02:32:02,97
mind that Hatcher has been there so long
that those fishermen are better breeding

1728
02:32:02,98 --> 02:32:06,13
for quite a while I don't
know if we're going to find

1729
02:32:06,14 --> 02:32:11,85
a whole lot of genetic difference. In these
fish that are coming up the hatchery in

1730
02:32:11,86 --> 02:32:15,96
the river so it'll be interesting to see
I'm very curious to see what happens with

1731
02:32:16,56 --> 02:32:23,01
the genetics here. Hold. I say epic

1732
02:32:23,64 --> 02:32:28,23
forced the issue which I'm glad because
sometimes big bureaucracies take

1733
02:32:28,24 --> 02:32:31,53
a long time to get things done
so it kind of pushed Phil to do

1734
02:32:31,54 --> 02:32:36,95
a lecture work maybe wasn't on his A
list but now it is so in that regard I'm

1735
02:32:36,96 --> 02:32:41,60
appreciative epic but I think epic
should back off now that we do have

1736
02:32:41,61 --> 02:32:46,10
a tentative agreement tentative plan so
we can continue to spawn the fish in the

1737
02:32:46,11 --> 02:32:50,32
hatchery and just let you know I'm not
going to sign a damned plan I have

1738
02:32:50,33 --> 02:32:53,75
a two million dollars dollar policy will
cover me not to ask you or the staff to

1739
02:32:53,76 --> 02:33:00,68
take care of me so thank you.
It's good to see you again

1740
02:33:00,69 --> 02:33:07,49
to. Welcome Good afternoon
and thanks Rex for putting

1741
02:33:07,50 --> 02:33:13,89
this on for the public and Phil for
your information I guess I'm kind of

1742
02:33:13,90 --> 02:33:20,39
a community person and I'm Karen Brooks
from Bayside My question is this capital

1743
02:33:20,40 --> 02:33:21,79
plan that you're putting together is

1744
02:33:21,81 --> 02:33:26,97
a fish hatchery operating significantly
different from what your plan specifies.

1745
02:33:30,26 --> 02:33:34,14
Yeah so here we have people doing the
right thing just going through the paper

1746
02:33:34,15 --> 02:33:40,44
trail which is extremely frustrating and
you know I just hope that epic looks at

1747
02:33:40,45 --> 02:33:45,15
what the work is doing and how important
this how trees are to community and just

1748
02:33:45,16 --> 02:33:49,48
drop the lawsuit I think we're all working
in good faith toward something that we

1749
02:33:49,49 --> 02:33:54,82
all value my question to you Phil is is
there anything the county can do to assist

1750
02:33:55,02 --> 02:33:55,83
this effort

1751
02:33:56,35 --> 02:34:02,99
a letter of recommendation or support or
what have you to expedite this process Mr

1752
02:34:03,00 --> 02:34:05,47
Brooks can you just address
the board then was

1753
02:34:05,48 --> 02:34:08,90
a question I mean if you would ask Phil
that but I think we're all in agreement

1754
02:34:08,91 --> 02:34:12,42
that we love the house here you want to
help any way that we can you may be in

1755
02:34:12,43 --> 02:34:17,84
a position to do that and thank you for
your time thank you Syria neither public

1756
02:34:17,85 --> 02:34:24,04
comments. Welcome. I

1757
02:34:24,58 --> 02:34:30,42
say that I'm one to support the hatchery.
I think that this is really an important

1758
02:34:30,43 --> 02:34:34,12
thing and from what I what I've heard there
is absolutely no reason to close it at

1759
02:34:34,13 --> 02:34:39,87
this point and our committee really needs
it and I think it's it's terrible that it

1760
02:34:39,88 --> 02:34:45,23
seems like California is the worst I mean
you know they're constantly closing and

1761
02:34:45,24 --> 02:34:49,10
stopping and regulating up to that because
they're doing and just preventing all

1762
02:34:49,11 --> 02:34:55,94
this many and cost and actually causing
problems with the thing they're actually

1763
02:34:55,95 --> 02:35:01,29
trying to help you know I mean it's it's
like it's like the old story bellows stone

1764
02:35:01,30 --> 02:35:04,76
where they said oh wells are causing all
these problems we have to kill them all

1765
02:35:04,77 --> 02:35:09,33
and and then pretty soon the Yellowstone
is practically destroyed because they just

1766
02:35:09,54 --> 02:35:14,38
disrupted this balance so badly I don't I
just want to support the higher tree I

1767
02:35:14,39 --> 02:35:19,29
would like to see him keep it open I don't
think it's hopefully I guess it's up to

1768
02:35:19,30 --> 02:35:26,21
you guys decide if you're going to
keep it open and I know oh. Well I

1769
02:35:26,23 --> 02:35:32,97
just would like to say I want to support
having it kept open so thank you. Not that

1770
02:35:32,98 --> 02:35:37,15
easy. Sorry of the public comments.

1771
02:35:42,23 --> 02:35:46,31
Well I do want to thank the presentation I
want to thank epic for I guess lighting

1772
02:35:46,32 --> 02:35:51,76
the fire I hope there's no legal fees
involved then I'll be really excited. I want

1773
02:35:51,77 --> 02:35:56,61
to thank the sports fishermen here today
that came I think in support of the

1774
02:35:56,62 --> 02:36:00,28
hatchery and they've been there back in
the fundraisers ten years ago and stuff

1775
02:36:00,29 --> 02:36:04,31
like that bar shock and what the friends
of the matter of fish actually did I think

1776
02:36:04,32 --> 02:36:09,50
the economic part of it is huge and I think
somebody mentioned I would love to have

1777
02:36:09,51 --> 02:36:12,36
a dollar for every school trip that's
been out there I think that's the easiest

1778
02:36:12,37 --> 02:36:16,34
field trip to take kids on and I think you
pay the twenty five cents and you get to

1779
02:36:16,35 --> 02:36:20,74
feed the fish or whatever the case may be
so I really do appreciate what the Mad

1780
02:36:20,75 --> 02:36:22,93
River Fish Hatchery does and
it sounds like with just

1781
02:36:22,94 --> 02:36:25,29
a little bit of paper shuffling and

1782
02:36:25,30 --> 02:36:32,04
a little more work for Phil and Marc and
his crew that will be come to fruition so

1783
02:36:32,16 --> 02:36:38,30
thank you for the update. All right.

1784
02:36:40,55 --> 02:36:43,53
I was just going to give my thanks to you
to Phil and everyone else that came here

1785
02:36:43,54 --> 02:36:47,94
for this and of everyone that helped keep
the hatchery open years ago so that we

1786
02:36:47,95 --> 02:36:53,63
have the up be up still have it working
for us and I just want to reference can't

1787
02:36:53,64 --> 02:36:58,53
comment about an ideal world that the
hatchery wouldn't be necessary if we had

1788
02:36:59,07 --> 02:37:03,39
naturally functioning rivers that they
maintain themselves they don't require

1789
02:37:03,40 --> 02:37:05,74
actuaries but unfortunately we do live in

1790
02:37:05,75 --> 02:37:09,79
a modified landscape and that require
some management require some active

1791
02:37:09,80 --> 02:37:14,09
involvement in that to try to bring things
back so that hopefully one day we can

1792
02:37:14,10 --> 02:37:14,82
get back to

1793
02:37:15,57 --> 02:37:20,63
a situation where we have abundant salmon
without us having to put so much effort

1794
02:37:20,64 --> 02:37:24,27
into it but appreciate everyone's interest
in making sure that we have the best

1795
02:37:24,28 --> 02:37:31,17
hatchery possible there.
OK. Thank you Phil for

1796
02:37:31,29 --> 02:37:37,66
coming in and giving us up to speed and
thanks for on who came out today to support

1797
02:37:38,64 --> 02:37:43,95
and I know I have a lot of good memories
there from what I was a kid and it's

1798
02:37:43,96 --> 02:37:50,93
a great place to see it up
to full speed again. OK

1799
02:37:50,94 --> 02:37:56,46
So that will move us
on to. You want to do.

1800
02:37:58,09 --> 02:38:03,08
One again I want to get. I guess not OK.

1801
02:38:11,13 --> 02:38:14,53
Well to just John. Will preserve

1802
02:38:15,34 --> 02:38:27,10
a minute. Thank

1803
02:38:27,11 --> 02:38:30,31
you members of the board my name is Cliff
Johnson I'll be representing the planning

1804
02:38:30,32 --> 02:38:35,30
department on this project. For you is an
amendment to an existing Williamson act

1805
02:38:35,34 --> 02:38:40,59
agricultural preserve that's located in the
Ferndale area the existing preserve is

1806
02:38:40,60 --> 02:38:45,13
a classy preserve currently at two hundred
thirty four acres it was first formed in

1807
02:38:45,14 --> 02:38:50,72
two thousand and six and this is it actually
was added to sixty two acres was added

1808
02:38:50,73 --> 02:38:55,49
in two thousand and seven this would add
approximately three hundred twenty acres

1809
02:38:55,50 --> 02:39:00,25
to the preserve. The preserve
is being used to support

1810
02:39:00,26 --> 02:39:02,28
a dairy operation was actually

1811
02:39:02,29 --> 02:39:06,76
a dairy operation on the existing preserve
and the additional three hundred twenty

1812
02:39:06,77 --> 02:39:11,51
acres is being used to support that
dairy. Both the Williamson act Advisory

1813
02:39:11,52 --> 02:39:14,77
Committee and the Planning Commission had
recommended approval of this amendment to

1814
02:39:14,78 --> 02:39:18,02
the preserver. One of the
requirements to enter into

1815
02:39:18,03 --> 02:39:23,23
a classy preserve is that the land be zoned
for agricultural use approximately two

1816
02:39:23,24 --> 02:39:26,36
hundred fifty acres of this three hundred
twenty acres is currently zoned on

1817
02:39:26,37 --> 02:39:33,23
classified and so as part of this
application the owner is asking to have the

1818
02:39:33,29 --> 02:39:37,63
land rezoned into the agricultural exclusive
doesn't nation and this would be the

1819
02:39:37,64 --> 02:39:42,64
agricultural exclusive designation with the
B six combining that's going to specify

1820
02:39:42,65 --> 02:39:49,57
a minimum parcel size of one
hundred sixty acres. The reason

1821
02:39:49,58 --> 02:39:53,07
itself is consistent with the current
general plan does it NATION which is

1822
02:39:53,08 --> 02:39:57,02
agricultural grazing in the Planning
Commission has reviewed the rezone application

1823
02:39:57,03 --> 02:40:01,84
and recommended approval as well with that
I would turn it back to to the board I

1824
02:40:01,85 --> 02:40:07,62
can answer any questions or. Questions.

1825
02:40:08,97 --> 02:40:15,47
Wendy and I open the public hearing well.
I wasn't sure if I had missed that

1826
02:40:16,23 --> 02:40:20,25
opening the book thank you and also Mary
read the title of the ordinance for the

1827
02:40:20,26 --> 02:40:26,73
record. Yes thank you. The
title of the ordinance

1828
02:40:26,74 --> 02:40:32,31
is ordinance amending Section three eleven
there seven of the humble county code by

1829
02:40:32,32 --> 02:40:35,92
rezoning property in the Ferndale area Z.

1830
02:40:35,93 --> 02:40:39,47
Or dash thirteen there Ciro for the vote

1831
02:40:39,48 --> 02:40:46,14
a dairy Thank you. First love.
With that I would move staff

1832
02:40:46,15 --> 02:40:52,68
recommendations. To as best thank you the
comment I was actually just going to make

1833
02:40:52,69 --> 02:40:57,40
in you know I was at Alaska conference
yesterday which was actually. Quite

1834
02:40:57,41 --> 02:40:58,20
interesting but there was

1835
02:40:58,21 --> 02:41:02,69
a lot of talk about the Williamson
act and how important is to you know

1836
02:41:02,73 --> 02:41:07,79
preservation and so on who stayed home and
they were just saying how they have all

1837
02:41:07,80 --> 02:41:10,92
this money to help us like you know what
the fake really do if you want to help us

1838
02:41:11,33 --> 02:41:16,49
give us back with the bench and thank you
very much I learned from Philip So I see

1839
02:41:16,50 --> 02:41:20,70
this and I said you know our board is
doing what we can to keep you know.

1840
02:41:22,87 --> 02:41:27,52
Preserving our glands and it's amazing you
know because we don't have the resources

1841
02:41:27,53 --> 02:41:32,18
to do it so I really appreciate you know
our staff in this board you know taking

1842
02:41:33,08 --> 02:41:37,76
a stand here and and I just wish others in
the state you know could learn from us.

1843
02:41:40,15 --> 02:41:47,12
You know well so it think it's another
example of our commitment to protecting our

1844
02:41:47,39 --> 02:41:54,10
press away and in. Is there anybody
from the public that would like to

1845
02:41:54,10 --> 02:42:00,35
comment on this I am.
Kate moved and seconded

1846
02:42:01,10 --> 02:42:06,48
all in favor say aye. Post Oscars.

1847
02:42:08,50 --> 02:42:14,37
OK. We're done with you.

1848
02:42:15,58 --> 02:42:22,25
Mate you unless you want to
do B one zero. I would use

1849
02:42:22,26 --> 02:42:29,18
a bat in there. OK I'm sorry about that

1850
02:42:30,04 --> 02:42:34,33
and your report on status and
implementation of the four framework point

1851
02:42:35,34 --> 02:42:40,35
continuation. Good afternoon chairman
Simberg and members of the Board Michael

1852
02:42:40,36 --> 02:42:45,25
Richardson and the assigned planner on
this project and this item was continued

1853
02:42:45,26 --> 02:42:51,67
from your November twelfth meeting and
what was requested at that meeting was the

1854
02:42:51,71 --> 02:42:56,70
report to be revised to identify a on

1855
02:42:56,71 --> 02:43:03,67
a more precise level the
comparison between the I'm sorry

1856
02:43:04,05 --> 02:43:10,52
over at me the public
hearing OK. The request was

1857
02:43:11,12 --> 02:43:13,83
to revise the report to show on

1858
02:43:13,84 --> 02:43:20,51
a more precise level. The
comparison between development

1859
02:43:20,52 --> 02:43:24,42
potential in the Martin
slew project area on

1860
02:43:24,43 --> 02:43:30,59
a sub Basin level and the capacity
in that area and we've done that by

1861
02:43:30,90 --> 02:43:31,56
adding

1862
02:43:32,02 --> 02:43:39,17
a table table to. Annual Report. And

1863
02:43:39,18 --> 02:43:45,22
I had I'm happy to go through that
with you as necessary I did receive

1864
02:43:45,23 --> 02:43:50,29
a phone call from the attorney for housing
for all and there was another number

1865
02:43:50,30 --> 02:43:57,15
that they wanted changed in the staff
report and that is in the manual

1866
02:43:57,16 --> 02:44:03,47
report and it occurs on page three
of the annual report which is.

1867
02:44:07,60 --> 02:44:12,86
It's seven of. Of the Board report and.

1868
02:44:14,67 --> 02:44:20,17
The number Kurz in the third paragraph
up from the bottom and it references.

1869
02:44:21,76 --> 02:44:28,44
Results of our work to
implement. Implementation number

1870
02:44:28,45 --> 02:44:35,23
seventeen housing implementation number
seventeen and in the sentence reads that I

1871
02:44:35,24 --> 02:44:40,45
am seventeen requires rezoning enough
land to accommodate five hundred fourteen

1872
02:44:40,46 --> 02:44:46,84
units of affordable housing
and. Correction is to say

1873
02:44:47,15 --> 02:44:53,27
seven hundred seventeen units of
affordable housing and this was

1874
02:44:53,28 --> 02:44:58,03
a correction that was made
during a public hearing and it's

1875
02:44:58,04 --> 02:45:04,92
a part of the public record so we would
recommend that that correction. And

1876
02:45:04,93 --> 02:45:11,74
so with that we will modify the report
in send it to the state as required by

1877
02:45:11,75 --> 02:45:17,32
state law and that concludes my presentation
is there any public comment outside of

1878
02:45:17,32 --> 02:45:22,13
. What is.

1879
02:45:24,44 --> 02:45:28,08
Cancer the last time I was up here
I got the bums rush because we had

1880
02:45:28,09 --> 02:45:33,25
a time so. I tried to get it shut down
exactly on time it didn't work today but I

1881
02:45:33,26 --> 02:45:38,81
appreciate it anyway I did review that you
know it's just still astounding how many

1882
02:45:39,29 --> 02:45:42,62
units were required to have in this
area even they were basically in

1883
02:45:42,63 --> 02:45:46,69
a flat no growth thing I don't know there's
obviously nothing we can do about it

1884
02:45:46,70 --> 02:45:51,51
but it's astounding and of course there was
litigation to prove it and it just goes

1885
02:45:51,52 --> 02:45:55,22
on and on and on I don't know if this is
part of this group where they want to have

1886
02:45:55,23 --> 02:45:58,67
all this high density stuff to hurt us
in the middle of town and take away our

1887
02:45:58,68 --> 02:46:05,00
parking places or not that. Hard to reflect
on I do want to make sure that I did

1888
02:46:05,01 --> 02:46:09,15
get some clarification on the bottom of
page four there was something regarding the

1889
02:46:09,52 --> 02:46:13,68
similar project out which last time I
contended was an incorrect statement of

1890
02:46:13,69 --> 02:46:19,25
course I still contend it was an incorrect
statement and that's something we'll

1891
02:46:19,26 --> 02:46:23,85
address later I want other issues So anyway
that was regarding the similar project

1892
02:46:23,86 --> 02:46:27,07
out there so thank you for the time to
comment and I'm glad to see we're getting

1893
02:46:27,08 --> 02:46:31,100
this puppy out of here and we can all move
on thank you. Sir and the other public

1894
02:46:32,01 --> 02:46:38,83
comment. Here close public comment press

1895
02:46:38,84 --> 02:46:44,53
pass. I was looking for Jim was out there
but she's not here now so I'll just make

1896
02:46:44,54 --> 02:46:50,90
it OK Oh. I'm waiting for her well I

1897
02:46:51,39 --> 02:46:56,05
yeah OK that's what you're going to need
actions apparently. That idea is that we

1898
02:46:56,06 --> 02:47:02,09
accept staff at the annual report.
Case any of the comments.

1899
02:47:04,89 --> 02:47:07,04
OK we have motion in

1900
02:47:07,05 --> 02:47:13,98
a second all those favor. Post
motion carries thank you very

1901
02:47:14,07 --> 02:47:21,04
very much OK now we're done with you.
OK well you've kept you all day today

1902
02:47:21,05 --> 02:47:27,26
didn't we Kevin. All right so.

1903
02:47:29,98 --> 02:47:36,44
We have one last item and.
Wondering if the board wants to.

1904
02:47:37,95 --> 02:47:44,48
To the reports are now. OK passing also.

1905
02:47:46,40 --> 02:47:50,51
Do you have pictures. Yeah.

1906
02:47:53,64 --> 02:48:00,29
You have one item. Do
you want to. Let me go

1907
02:48:00,96 --> 02:48:06,83
back forty minute Power Point Yeah. OK you
get you get two and you get one and then

1908
02:48:06,84 --> 02:48:11,81
we're done. Stu you just really.

1909
02:48:14,31 --> 02:48:21,08
OK you get pictures you get two
and you get one. Yeah. Subtitles

1910
02:48:21,35 --> 02:48:27,37
I mean Mark are going to defer
our time to you guys. Please go.

1911
02:48:29,60 --> 02:48:33,92
That was very nice of you thank you
very much. Your Sandberg and supervisor

1912
02:48:33,93 --> 02:48:40,89
Lovelace. Two items one
Wednesday the. Fourteenth I

1913
02:48:40,90 --> 02:48:45,65
did it ten No sorry Thursday the fifteenth
day tended in meeting and Fortuna.

1914
02:48:46,67 --> 02:48:48,97
Regarding the O.B.-G.Y.N.

1915
02:48:48,97 --> 02:48:54,88
. In at Redwood Memorial
Community showed out in

1916
02:48:55,57 --> 02:49:00,35
force I believe there were I saw my
colleagues there as well there were four

1917
02:49:00,36 --> 02:49:05,06
hundred you know accurately reported in
local papers it's two hundred but there

1918
02:49:05,07 --> 02:49:11,83
were very close to four hundred people
there and I do hope and I feel that the.

1919
02:49:13,06 --> 02:49:17,95
Administration. Heard the community's
concerns and I do hope that we can move

1920
02:49:17,96 --> 02:49:24,77
forward and retain those services in the
in the second district. Also I just wanted

1921
02:49:24,78 --> 02:49:31,32
to say briefly here this was touched on
in the public comment. This past weekend

1922
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in southern humbled and throughout the
county we had very very cold temperatures

1923
02:49:36,99 --> 02:49:43,89
slipped down into eighteen degrees
and their local community of

1924
02:49:44,21 --> 02:49:50,25
faith had provided some housing for people
who were out and about as homeless.

1925
02:49:52,12 --> 02:49:57,34
At the new one fellowship on Thursday
and Friday but were unable to do so on

1926
02:49:57,35 --> 02:50:03,07
Saturday and Sunday and supervisor
bone and and I facilitated.

1927
02:50:04,14 --> 02:50:09,95
Community working together to provide shelter
for those. Who were out there on the

1928
02:50:09,96 --> 02:50:15,21
first night. I think there were twelve on
the second night there were twenty seven

1929
02:50:15,22 --> 02:50:21,60
people who needed those services and
three or four of the local churches work

1930
02:50:21,61 --> 02:50:22,81
together and

1931
02:50:22,82 --> 02:50:29,02
a lot of individuals and I just want to
applaud and thank them for their work in

1932
02:50:29,03 --> 02:50:33,04
making sure that those very
vulnerable people we're dealt with in

1933
02:50:33,05 --> 02:50:37,90
a real crisis you know whatever you say
about the issues that we face with.

1934
02:50:39,63 --> 02:50:43,56
Trends in people or however in
our communities there comes

1935
02:50:43,57 --> 02:50:49,47
a time when it's very very clear that people
are in need and they need our help and

1936
02:50:49,54 --> 02:50:54,31
community stepped up and I want to applaud
them for that and I want to thank

1937
02:50:54,44 --> 02:51:00,91
supervisor bones for helping out the first
night when I was unavailable and just we

1938
02:51:00,92 --> 02:51:06,90
do need to look at what we might want to
do to set in motion for those few times

1939
02:51:06,91 --> 02:51:09,65
when the temperatures just drop them into

1940
02:51:09,66 --> 02:51:13,04
a very dangerous and with
that I want to recognize

1941
02:51:13,05 --> 02:51:18,86
a deputy more more force who are brought
it to my attention of the problem down

1942
02:51:18,87 --> 02:51:24,78
there and then also undersheriff Hansal
and his wife who offered to help offset

1943
02:51:24,79 --> 02:51:28,28
some of the costs of providing the vets all
that night but I think we got it taken

1944
02:51:28,29 --> 02:51:30,16
care of but I just it was

1945
02:51:30,17 --> 02:51:36,55
a group effort and so and it was some
problems really beat it up so that's my

1946
02:51:36,56 --> 02:51:41,67
report thank you to rise brass thanking
this chair just I mentioned earlier that I

1947
02:51:41,68 --> 02:51:42,98
had the opportunity to go in

1948
02:51:42,99 --> 02:51:48,60
a period Alaska conference. They were
celebrating fifty years of laugh though and

1949
02:51:49,12 --> 02:51:54,46
it was actually one of the most interesting
conferences I've been to it was I

1950
02:51:54,47 --> 02:51:54,77
learned

1951
02:51:54,78 --> 02:51:58,60
a lot and you know it's kind of like when
you go to these things and you learn what

1952
02:51:59,34 --> 02:52:00,94
you learn you know that
you don't really know

1953
02:52:00,95 --> 02:52:05,23
a lot until you leave there and you think
man I learned. More than I could ever

1954
02:52:05,24 --> 02:52:09,53
tell you but you know I think what I took
away from there for us is you know roll

1955
02:52:09,54 --> 02:52:12,14
counties are different that's
who I want to speak for was

1956
02:52:12,15 --> 02:52:17,02
a rural counties and rural northern counties
than. We do have different problems we

1957
02:52:17,03 --> 02:52:20,82
don't have necessarily the growth pressures
and the traffic issues and we had

1958
02:52:20,83 --> 02:52:24,88
ignored you know I talked about the ambulance
service and how it was now helping

1959
02:52:24,89 --> 02:52:27,59
train to to help with you know maybe find

1960
02:52:27,63 --> 02:52:33,01
a solution and you know other places it's
all about that they have no ag land and

1961
02:52:33,02 --> 02:52:37,62
I'm thinking here we're trying to preserve
ag land and it's so ironic that the

1962
02:52:37,63 --> 02:52:41,56
state's not paying us but they want to
come up with other funding mechanisms to

1963
02:52:41,57 --> 02:52:45,66
encourage other things that they probably
won't pay for either you know and that's

1964
02:52:45,67 --> 02:52:49,62
what my my and my takeaway was you know
great that the state's offering but you

1965
02:52:49,63 --> 02:52:54,31
know why don't you make it on what you
promised us already so I really enjoyed

1966
02:52:54,50 --> 02:52:59,41
myself and I appreciated the opportunity
and I'm glad that the flight got in for I

1967
02:52:59,42 --> 02:53:03,72
could be here with you today and I did
also want to mention I wanted to follow up

1968
02:53:03,73 --> 02:53:06,65
on as he was here earlier
mentioning that it's

1969
02:53:06,66 --> 02:53:10,77
a human rights Awareness Day And while I'm
not the last speaker today I hope that

1970
02:53:10,78 --> 02:53:16,46
everyone can take with them today. That you
know especially you know Nelson Mandela

1971
02:53:17,33 --> 02:53:24,27
his. Service is happening right now
or today and yesterday with the

1972
02:53:24,28 --> 02:53:27,76
time change they kept saying
to zeven. You know it's just

1973
02:53:27,77 --> 02:53:31,76
a really important time to think of differences
that people make in people's lives

1974
02:53:31,99 --> 02:53:37,14
and again like I think supervisor Fennell
and bone for. You being recognized as the

1975
02:53:37,15 --> 02:53:42,60
for for helping you know when your help
is needed and and that's part of you know

1976
02:53:42,61 --> 02:53:49,59
human rights awareness day so. Things.
Appreciate that there was two items. I know

1977
02:53:49,60 --> 02:53:56,14
that I promised her and I forgot supervisor
Lovelace's also. Yeah I decided there

1978
02:53:56,15 --> 02:54:01,62
were two things that I wanted to report
on just real quickly just last Tuesday

1979
02:54:01,63 --> 02:54:06,18
following our board meeting was at it
Blue Lake City Council meeting for

1980
02:54:06,22 --> 02:54:12,37
a presentation on the status of the levy
study that's being done and sense Hank

1981
02:54:12,38 --> 02:54:17,10
seaman took time from his evening
to be out there and answer

1982
02:54:17,11 --> 02:54:20,71
a lot of questions from the council I
just want to mention it to give my

1983
02:54:20,72 --> 02:54:24,67
appreciation to him for all of the
hugely important things that land on his

1984
02:54:24,68 --> 02:54:31,16
shoulders with the county and also I just
wanted to note last night tend to be

1985
02:54:31,79 --> 02:54:37,50
humble library foundation's annual gala
at the Carson mansion and each year they

1986
02:54:37,51 --> 02:54:41,49
honor someone someone with the Helen
Everett Award and this year that award was

1987
02:54:41,50 --> 02:54:45,74
given to Glen and Janet Saunders who
donated the site for the Trinidad library

1988
02:54:46,40 --> 02:54:46,91
along with

1989
02:54:46,92 --> 02:54:51,69
a lot of other kind of like they've been
pretty dynamic giving people in that

1990
02:54:51,70 --> 02:54:58,21
community so I just want to give
my appreciation to them. Thank you

1991
02:54:58,75 --> 02:55:05,20
so as bone. You can turn
your microphone on first

1992
02:55:05,70 --> 02:55:09,63
Friday I get up we we had a change
in our Board the other day we had

1993
02:55:10,44 --> 02:55:16,39
a couple that I guess renewed their vows
and obeyed Dave in. And Phyllis Diller

1994
02:55:16,40 --> 02:55:17,56
granny Phyllis was

1995
02:55:17,60 --> 02:55:24,50
a the jail nurse for multiples of years
here and since left that in so they got to

1996
02:55:24,51 --> 02:55:26,23
remarry them on Friday and we had

1997
02:55:26,24 --> 02:55:33,89
a reception here was all sorts
of fun. Saturday. Saturday

1998
02:55:33,93 --> 02:55:37,99
I did breakfast with Santa I saw practice
and I Could Be careful on that one

1999
02:55:38,70 --> 02:55:40,33
Saturday night we had the H.T.S.

2000
02:55:40,34 --> 02:55:45,69
So. Christmas party actually Friday night
we had the builders exchange Christmas

2001
02:55:45,70 --> 02:55:52,64
dinner I'm gone and I want to George Curry
It's right here John Macbeth and Dave

2002
02:55:52,65 --> 02:55:57,94
Morris were recognized with lifetime
achievement awards for their over one hundred

2003
02:55:57,95 --> 02:56:03,27
forty years involved in the construction
industry here they're all homegrown boys

2004
02:56:03,57 --> 02:56:06,67
that have done their whole career here
and humble county so I wanted them to be

2005
02:56:06,68 --> 02:56:12,63
recognised Saturday night we had the H.G.'s
of the home but deputy sheriffs dinner

2006
02:56:13,70 --> 02:56:20,24
and no I didn't get pictures of that but
I did I think we had Mark was there

2007
02:56:20,28 --> 02:56:27,18
and I got to say with the supervisor
Sunbird and and his wife and

2008
02:56:27,28 --> 02:56:33,65
Matthew was there. And. I want
to recognize the award winners

2009
02:56:34,28 --> 02:56:39,22
the rookie of the year was Kyle Holt and
the deputy of the year was Chad Zack and

2010
02:56:39,23 --> 02:56:44,68
Kyle's out of Del Norte County. His parents
are great people have known him since

2011
02:56:44,69 --> 02:56:47,76
he was a pup and Chad Zach I've known
since he was a pup so basically

2012
02:56:47,77 --> 02:56:53,62
a couple local kids doing really well and
then the probation award winners the

2013
02:56:53,63 --> 02:56:57,11
juvenile probation officer of the year
was dory ha's in the adult division

2014
02:56:57,12 --> 02:57:01,40
probation office of the year was Shawn
Berger So I wanted them to be recognized

2015
02:57:01,41 --> 02:57:02,17
because they do such

2016
02:57:02,18 --> 02:57:09,18
a great job and they're recognized
by their peers. So I mean I've

2017
02:57:09,19 --> 02:57:10,54
had the son to believe got

2018
02:57:10,55 --> 02:57:17,00
a clue the Italian to get the Sons of
Italy dinner and. I'll stop at that just

2019
02:57:17,04 --> 02:57:22,89
because I. Was limited. Was that.

2020
02:57:24,76 --> 02:57:30,16
The chief she had. To residential didn't
and it was very well attended and

2021
02:57:30,17 --> 02:57:35,86
hopefully they listened because they think
they got blindsided I don't think they

2022
02:57:35,87 --> 02:57:42,09
realized how much the old river valley and
their desire to keep their O.B.-G.Y.N.

2023
02:57:42,65 --> 02:57:49,12
And the how much it means to the
community. Thank you for those reports

2024
02:57:49,71 --> 02:57:53,77
very public comment on this item. Welcome.

2025
02:57:57,42 --> 02:58:03,22
To items really quick here obviously.
Basically I was up there at the store where I

2026
02:58:03,26 --> 02:58:06,13
get some of my clothes off where the
Cancer Society has their store I think

2027
02:58:06,14 --> 02:58:10,36
Henderson center this Friday they have
their best sale of the year fifty percent

2028
02:58:10,37 --> 02:58:10,81
off there's

2029
02:58:10,82 --> 02:58:15,26
a whole bunch of really nice things in their
suit so get up there to piece suit you

2030
02:58:15,27 --> 02:58:17,96
know they're like eighteen
bucks I mean nine dollars for

2031
02:58:17,97 --> 02:58:21,64
a two piece suit so I got their support and
then the one biggest thing I guess you

2032
02:58:21,65 --> 02:58:27,08
guys forgot to mention was his tax day so
to keep this carry going maybe people who

2033
02:58:27,09 --> 02:58:31,08
don't want to pay that ten percent tax can
go ahead and get their property taxes in

2034
02:58:31,26 --> 02:58:36,04
as I did. There's no property taxes in
Mexico so I bought a house down there

2035
02:58:36,05 --> 02:58:40,40
a lot of sales tax with anyway I paid
my share in and anybody who needs

2036
02:58:40,41 --> 02:58:44,17
a little care to remember that can present
Penley I think takes effect tomorrow so

2037
02:58:44,51 --> 02:58:47,75
let's fill the coffers so we can keep the
wheels rolling of this county Thank you.

2038
02:58:49,62 --> 02:58:53,33
Thank you. Forgot it was tax day.

2039
02:58:57,26 --> 02:59:00,40
But we get back on those
property taxes seventeen cents

2040
02:59:00,58 --> 02:59:06,30
a dollar. But yeah.

2041
02:59:07,90 --> 02:59:13,02
That's pretty close pretty close. And
I've had to redo it if you're seventeen.

2042
02:59:15,26 --> 02:59:20,24
Secret. Philip hole of wood with pennies.

2043
02:59:22,09 --> 02:59:28,14
OK that is the end of our agenda
thank you all for coming and we'll.

2044
02:59:29,28 --> 02:59:31,60
See and next Tuesday this
meeting is adjourned.